ok thanks Ed, I've been doing a bit of internet research & most of the opinions out there are against multiple cardans,i think I will just stick to a double at the yoke end & a single at the diff.

I still think my custom shaft I had made here is a dud, the double cardan seems a bit stiff to me & it has too much run out for my liking.

cheers I'll let you know how it all goes

97 Exceed, 3.5l SOHC auto, 4.90 gears, ARB front locker,rear Harrop E-Locker, Magnum winch, dual transfer cases also 2008 NS swb Pajero, front bar & winch