Yea those moutain's can be a pain in the @$$ that's for sure. Hopefully next time you come down we can run Fordyce. I believe we're going to do Fordyce or Strawberry Trail on the 21st. You live in AZ dont you? maybe we could come down your way sometime and you could show us some trails <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />