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Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: ryany] #1101711 07/06/16 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ryany
Cryo treatment can be done on most any metal part and is a process that strengthens the metal on a molecular level. You'd have to find somewhere that does cryo treatment and take/send your disassembled parts to them.


Ian, what ryany says. Getting this done is a big deal with the IFS Toy guys and it IS supposed to help but I'd browse the Toy forums. I've run across probably (at least) a dozen companies that do this for them. I don't see why they couldn't do Mitsu CVs.

There are at least three generic cryo places within rock throwing distance of my place that would also probably do them. I think I'd stick to a reputable shop that does them for the Toy off road crowd or get a recommendation from a couple 4x4 shops for someone reputable. I don't know how much science goes into cryo treatment, but the shops around my place don't give me a warm fuzzy when I talk to them. I'm not entirely sure they REALLY know how to do what they think they're doing. smile

Edward


'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 3.5L conversion
SAS Dana 44s & ARBs, 35" Yoko Geolandar M/Ts
NP231 B4R doubler/Terra Low231/RP 5.38 229:1
'99 Montero Sport Limited 4WD SAS 3-link project
'03 Montero Sport Limited AWD
'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 4WD
Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: TOASTY] #1101712 07/06/16 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TOASTY
You also need to consider the other side of that coin. The lower end of those torque numbers, if you have low low or say 4:1 single low you don't need to apply the power you would have with higher ratios.


You are absolutely correct! One of the things my math doesn't take into account. laugh

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So without needing to bring up the RPMs to get the power to stay above a stall (or TC stall) your axles won't experience the higher torque or more importantly the shock loads from wheel spin associated with high gears.


IF you can keep the RPMs down. I have a lot more flexibility in gearing running a M/T with two different ratios in the t-case and doubler and I'm almost always running between 2500-3500 in Lo and Lo-Lo so I'm still close to peak torque. Without having wheeled an A/T with this setup, I'm just guessing that this may be different with an A/T?

Unfortunately A/T guys have to figure in the TC torque multiplication. This is kind of a 'one step forward, half a step backwards' kind of thing. smile You do cut the torque output from the engine but the TC isn't (shouldn't be) locked so there is going to be quite a bit of slip.

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Now Like Edward said, if you gear for big tires and have said big tires in place you will effortlessly grenade CV's if you are not careful. for example; full lock turn, locked and bound up the slightest bump on the gas will probably result in parts flying in LOW LOW


This situation is to be avoided like the plague. Especially if you're running a solid axle with u-joints as that's where u-joints are at their weakest. One advantage CVs have over u-joints. They're stronger at angle if I remember correctly.

Edward


'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 3.5L conversion
SAS Dana 44s & ARBs, 35" Yoko Geolandar M/Ts
NP231 B4R doubler/Terra Low231/RP 5.38 229:1
'99 Montero Sport Limited 4WD SAS 3-link project
'03 Montero Sport Limited AWD
'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 4WD
Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: MMeadows] #1101713 07/06/16 11:45 PM
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We make a good team Edward!

Ian, look for shops that do a full cryo treat service. Cryo, heat treat and a micropolish, this will yield the best results. Many companies just freeze your parts and give them back to you but don't understand the science.


1999 Montero SAS'd on Kings and stuff

1998 Montero trying to get a V8 Swapped
Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: TOASTY] #1101720 07/08/16 09:12 AM
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OK cheers guys


97 Exceed, 3.5l SOHC auto, 4.90 gears, ARB front locker,rear Harrop E-Locker, Magnum winch, dual transfer cases also 2008 NS swb Pajero, front bar & winch
Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: Ian Sharpe] #1101725 07/08/16 11:10 PM
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Thank you everyone for the thoughtful responses and engaging conversation.

Would it be wise to change the subject of this topic to include gen ii montero and then give it a sticky?

This is really the most complete answer on the forum.

Thanks again.


97 Montero SR: 2in body lift. 33" KM2

Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: MMeadows] #1101762 07/13/16 05:08 AM
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No. Not a lot of sticky posts. Keep the log on your home page is my method of choice.


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1988 Mighty Max 2.6L Turbo - Pearl
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2000 Excursion V10 - Freya
Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: rxinhed] #1101768 07/14/16 03:59 AM
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Just because, Montero on 40's and 2" body lift HA HA HA

[Linked Image]


Looks way better on 37's and the new wheels I got. smile


1999 Montero SAS'd on Kings and stuff

1998 Montero trying to get a V8 Swapped
Re: Wanting BIG tires. [Re: TOASTY] #1101775 07/14/16 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TOASTY
Just because, Montero on 40's and 2" body lift HA HA HA ...


That looks like Eric's Sport when we put it on 37" TSLs. lol

Edward


'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 3.5L conversion
SAS Dana 44s & ARBs, 35" Yoko Geolandar M/Ts
NP231 B4R doubler/Terra Low231/RP 5.38 229:1
'99 Montero Sport Limited 4WD SAS 3-link project
'03 Montero Sport Limited AWD
'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 4WD
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