</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by Wayne:
<strong>Curtis,
Is that your home or a used care lot? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">It's startingtolook that way Wayne!

I called the Tyler and San Antonio Dealershipsand they both pretty much said "Huh??????? It called a Wwwhhhhhaaaaatttttt? <img border="0" alt="[Hillbilly]" title="" src="graemlins/notooth.gif" /> No man, we don't got any of those chere!

Looks like the U.S. date of 4th quarter 2002 is gonna likke not happen.
CJ

with no solid front live axel... they better have kick ass build quality or else they wont appeal to the hard core 4x4 market... and with no luxory they wont appeal to the soccer mom market or rich yuppie market either...

i will cross my fingers for the little guy!

WOW! I've got a dealer just 20 miles from my house! Bet he craps his pants when I park my Troop next to his silly little wagon. Oh wait, I can't park next to one-they aren't here!!
All sarcasm aside, it would be a great rig if it had a solid axle up front and disc's in the rear.
Did anyone check the spec's? The wheelbase is only 92.5" that's not a Defender 110 it's not even a Suzuki Vitara !!
Please don't shoot me for saying this, but if you want a solid axle 4 door SUV with a warranty for under 20K, your best bet is a used Cherokee. <img border="0" alt="[Barf]" title="" src="graemlins/barf.gif" />
But this Crosslander DOES look cool, and the diesel makes you think for sure.
Actually it's making me think how bad I want a first gen Trooper with Auto Trans,solid axle, and a diesel swap!!! <img border="0" alt="[Mr.T]" title="" src="graemlins/mrt.gif" />

-Ryan

Here's a quote on their warrantee:
Cross Lander Vehicle Warranty
Cross Lander U.S.A. provides a New Vehicle Bumper to Bumper limited Warranty to every new owner. The vehicle is warranted for repairs, including parts and labor to correct problems in material or workmanship for 3 years or 36,000 miles.

Crosslander Accessory Warranty
All Cross Lander accessories have been designed and developed specifically for your new vehicle. The Cross Lander accessories are backed with the same 3 year/36,000 mile New Vehicle Bumper to Bumper Warranty when installed at the factory.*

Replacement Parts Warranty
Replacement parts installed by a Cross Lander dealer are covered for 1 year or 12,000 miles, whichever comes first.

*Note that those Cross Lander accessories installed after delivery will carry a 1 year 12,000 mile warranty.

If I read the USA web site correctly, here's the status: A new to the USA, new to the market, new car company, first vehicle built, unproven history from South America with a 36k warrantee. Of course, Brazil's reputation for hard work and high manufacturing quality is right up there with (pick one)
a. Germany (BMW/Mercedes)
b. Japan (Honda/Toyota)
c. Former Yugoslavia (Yugo)

I think their reputation is more for parties, beaches and thongs. (Sandle/flip-flop thongs is what I mean, of course.)

Even Kia, Hyundai, and Isuzu have 100k warrantes on vehicles with trackable vehicle repair histories.

First to buy a new car from them? It *might* be quality. Might as well place your bets.....

Hello! I just talked to Chris Warren at Cross Lander and he reports it will debut in the U.S. in Feburary. I told him about you guys and invited him here to answer some question if he wanted.
I also invited him to Moab VI with the thing.(Repaired my typo, dislexia cannot be a friend sometimes) He said he would be interested in doing that. They are real excited about the opportunity to present this thing to the "Real" Off Road Crowd and get our impressions. (That's us Types, I believe)
We talked for quite a while and we can contact him at CWarren@CrossLander4x4.com. (I think that link will work or a variation of it)I haven't tried it yet.

The following is without Randii's blessing... (He wouldn't answer his phone so I could check if thes was OK to post), but here goes.

So if you guys would like to see these trucks at Moab give him an invite, so that he will know I'm not just blowing smoke. Since I don't have any legal affilitation to 4X4 Wire. Just another Off Road nut with a blue tipped wrench. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
CJ

<small>[ December 05, 2002, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: Curtis Johnson ]</small>

Hey fellow Tarheels, anyone up to the task to scope 'em out, these are in the western part of the state.

Cross Lander U.S.A. 4x4 Dealer List
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Carolina Cross Lander
2009 Barnes Street
Reidsville NC 27320
1-800-255-4595

Hickory Cross Lander
161 Hwy 70 SE
Hickory, NC 28603
1-800-880-9171

I'm not in the know on the automotive industry, and certainly not in the Brasilian industry, but in recently completing a research paper for my English class on Roundabouts, I noted that Sao Paulo, Brazil is home to over 5 million, yes thats 5,000,000, vehicles in and around Sao Paulo. I note this since their gallery shows pics from the Sao Paulo Auto Show.

"Rush hour traffic jams in Sao Paulo, Brazil average a mind-boggling 53 miles in length, according to the city Traffic Engineering Dept. Sao Paulo&#8217;s population fluctuates between 16 and 24 million people, and is home to 5.1 million cars"

Now, where I'm heading with this is that, I would think (read: knee-jerk reaction <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) that one would not even think of introducing a new model/design in such a market if it didn't offer some type of appeal/functionality due to the apparent competition. Note that quality is not necessarily a priority but with an International motor and an Eaton trannie, there might be something there.

Having never been to S.A., I wouldn't know, but it's my understanding the road systems in S.A. are not the best in the world by far, so a capable 4x4 is almost a necessity?

CROSSLANDER SPECS

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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">ENGINE
  Make: International HS 2.8 WG
  Aspiration: Inter-cooled Turbo Diesel
  Displacement (cm3): 2785
  No. of Cylinders: 4
  Bore & Stroke (mm): 93/102.5
  Compression Ratio: 19.5:1
  Maximum Horsepower: 132
  R.P.M. at Maximum Power: 3800
  Maximum Torque (Nm): 355
  TRANSMISSION
  Wheel Drive: Permanent 2x4 rear/part time 4x4
  Gear Box Make: Eaton
  Type: FSO-2405-D
  No. of Gears: 5 + 1 Synchronized
  
  Ratio of Gears: 4.473; 2.458; 1.472; 1.000; 0.809; reverse 3.795
  
  Transfer Box Make: Cross Lander
  Clutch: Hydraulic control
  
  SUSPENSION
  Front Axle: Coil springs & shock absorbers
  Rear Axle: Leaf springs & shock absorbers
  Differential: Symmetrical Ratio 3.18
  Brakes: Hydraulic Dual circuit, power assisted
  Front: Ventilated Disc
  Rear: Drum
  Power Steering: Hydraulic Power Assisted
  
  WHEELS
  Rims: 7JJX15CH
  Tires: 235/75 R15 (Same as stock LS G1 Troops)
  
  ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
  Alternator: 850 Watts / 85 Amp.
  Battery: 12V, 2x66 Ah
  
  PERFORMANCE
  Maximum Speed: 90 MPH
  Turning radius: 36 feet
  Maximum Slope: 40 degrees
  Fuel Consumption: 23.4 MPG @65 MPH
  
  TOWING CAPACITY
  Trailer with Brake: 5,799 lbs.
  Trailer without Brake: 1,653 lbs.
  
  DIMENSIONS
  Length: 166.3 Inches
  Width: 72.2 Inches
  Height: 72.9 Inches
  Wheel Base: 92.5 Inches
  Ground Clearance: 7.8 Inches</font></li>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Interesting specs. No mention of LSD or locker application. What does 'symmetrical ratio' mean?How does this compare to the 'zu rides? Rodeo, Trooper?

The overseas 'zu's are offered with a 2.8 TD, or was in the past, any relationship to this International motor?

Cheers,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by LTC Don:
<strong>
Having never been to S.A., I wouldn't know, but it's my understanding the road systems in S.A. are not the best in the world by far, so a capable 4x4 is almost a necessity?

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">I agree, Have you guys ever seen pictures of these third world Nations transportation habits? They cram as many bodies in and on the cars trucks motorcycles as they can get and go for it, hell bent for leather.

I have a feeling that for $20K your gonna get a very stout truck. The short term Warrenty may be a reflection to the other 80% of the worlds driving habits. Besides, a new auto maker has a lot at stake here. If they get the Yugo reputation then they aren't going to be here long.
CJ

I don't know where the 'standard' measurement would be made, but the CrossLander is listed at 7.8 inches for ground clearance.

My '91 Trooper LS came in at around 8.5 inches with the stock 15x6 alloys and the same 235/75R15 tires as listed for the CrossLander. This was measured on a level shop floor and from the floor to the bottom of the shock mount on the rear. From the floor to the bottom of the U-Bolt bracket, it was dead on 8.75 inches.

Hmm.

Anyone notice the snorkel, pretty cool. What's with the grate looking things on top of the fenders? Hood looks cool with the air vents, but I like the scoop often found on diesels.

Cheers,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by Curtis Johnson:
<strong>I also invited him to Moab IV with the thing. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">You mean that thing comes with a time machine too?????? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by LTC Don:
<strong>
Anyone notice the snorkel, pretty cool. What's with the grate looking things on top of the fenders?

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">I saw the snorkel, but where's the inlet for it??? From other threads here I thought one of the benefits of a snorkel was cool fresh air.

I was thinking the fenders have some sort of "non-skid" surface for standing up there. Otherwise not sure what it's for.