I have a couple of questions.
See... this is the problem with group buys -- I'll post the rules once again in a minute....

It is a fine line between asking the vendor a direct question and asking the general wisdom of the group. IMHO, some of the questions asked in this thread seem more the former, and less the latter --- which is non-optimal.

The forum had no way to answer estimated delivery times, shipping specifics,

The forum CAN, however, speak to whether a certain brand of bars is useful as a side-step for entry and egress, or comment on whether a certain brand of bar worked well in the boulders.

I'm not picking on anyone in particular, but give some consideration to your queries before you ask them -- some may be best answered with a phone call or email to the vendor in question...

Randii