I just reread this thread and things make a whole lot more sense after doing the brake job. What airrikk17 Said about removing the rotor from the hub.. I forgot what he posted and discovered another way to do it. Put the rotor assembly on the ground. Stick a screwdriver in one of the open holes on the rotor. Butt the screwdriver behind your left heal and have a friend step on the opposite side to really force it into the pavement.. you should be able to turn the bolts now. At least that method worked for us. We should have tried it with airrikk17's method. The way we did it worked well enough though. My neighbor did have a breaker bar (he recently bought it), so it was perfect luck for me. We *really* needed it to remove those caliper bolts. I felt a vein popping out of my forehead we pulled so hard. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />