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 Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: Lloyd Swartz]
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08/05/03 02:03 PM
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...We used one high lift on each end of each vehicle to drag them over, and out of trouble... Do you mean one at each corner of the same end? (Thus pulling "on a roll" versus dragging sideways...)
Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand! Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top Her Truck: 03, 3.8, 20th Anniv, 65k Daughter's: 06 Eclipse, Keeping it Mitsu! FSMs: MitsubishiLinks.com
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: liquidium]
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08/05/03 03:09 PM
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What do you feel is the MOST dangerous aspect of a Hi Lift, other than using it stupidly or beyond its rated capacity? Liquidium, We've mentioned some of the dangers (kickback, jack sway and also lifting on unstable footings). It's also limited (my 48" unit) because in some off road situations, it's not long enough. Then you need to use something like a rock underneath <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> which is especially dangerous. One other thing that I didn't mention yet is that it can mar the finish of your bumper which you may or may not be concerned about. Regarding vehicle recovery, try what doug did but instead find the biggest piece of firewood you can (at least 6" in dia) and hilift uphill over that with your tires at 15psi. They you'll know what lloyd is talking about. It's not easy Also, it's limited in the kind of lifting it can do... It will mar or worse, dent a stock bumper if you're not careful (one of the reason's I'm glad I've got custom bumpers). It's difficult & potentially dangerous to use to lift from the side without strong nerfs.
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: off-roader]
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08/05/03 03:27 PM
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On a slightly different note (I believe there was a thread on this a little while back, so sorry for stealing this one): <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
I was looking at my [new] 48" and trying to decide how to stow/carry it. If I were to cut about 5-6" off the top, then it would fit very nicely in the back corner up against one of the D pillars. I would then work up some sort of a tie-down deal. I would like to carry it inside thus allowing me to carry it at all times. (And out of the weather based on others' comments on keeping it in good working order.)
I see two possible issues with this. The first obvious is that I limit myself to something like 42" instead of 48".
The second is that the top hole where the "winch loop" bolts on sits by itself. No other holes next to it like on the rest of the shaft. Cutting off some of the shaft will mean remounting the loop where the shaft's holes are one after another. I wonder if maybe this would be a weak point for bolting on the loop. So, I thought I'd drill another hole in the loop for a second bolt.
Note that I currently have no lift, though my 95 does sit higher than earlier Gen IIs like ny old 92. I may go OME down the road if it offers additional lift over where I sit stock. I also don't know how hard I'll be riding as far as neeeding every inch of lift I can get.
Thoughts...???
Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand! Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top Her Truck: 03, 3.8, 20th Anniv, 65k Daughter's: 06 Eclipse, Keeping it Mitsu! FSMs: MitsubishiLinks.com
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: MontyMcV]
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08/05/03 03:54 PM
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On a slightly different note (I believe there was a thread on this a little while back, so sorry for stealing this one): <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
I was looking at my [new] 48" and trying to decide how to stow/carry it. If I were to cut about 5-6" off the top, then it would fit very nicely in the back corner up against one of the D pillars. I would then work up some sort of a tie-down deal. I would like to carry it inside thus allowing me to carry it at all times. (And out of the weather based on others' comments on keeping it in good working order.)
I see two possible issues with this. The first obvious is that I limit myself to something like 42" instead of 48".
The second is that the top hole where the "winch loop" bolts on sits by itself. No other holes next to it like on the rest of the shaft. Cutting off some of the shaft will mean remounting the loop where the shaft's holes are one after another. I wonder if maybe this would be a weak point for bolting on the loop. So, I thought I'd drill another hole in the loop for a second bolt.
Note that I currently have no lift, though my 95 does sit higher than earlier Gen IIs like ny old 92. I may go OME down the road if it offers additional lift over where I sit stock. I also don't know how hard I'll be riding as far as neeeding every inch of lift I can get.
Thoughts...??? Doesn't if fit sideways in back? You can easily over the ends up with a couple of old rags to prevent damage to the interior. Not exactly pretty but this is what I do when I want to carry it inside. Otherwise I usually only leave it mounted outside when it's not raining or i'm actually wheeling which alleviate's most problems associated with weathering. Ray
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: off-roader]
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08/05/03 04:35 PM
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Yes, does fit across. I was looking for an alternative so I'd have an open, flat floor space behind the 3rd row seats. (With two younger kids, the 3rd row is usually in...)
Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand! Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top Her Truck: 03, 3.8, 20th Anniv, 65k Daughter's: 06 Eclipse, Keeping it Mitsu! FSMs: MitsubishiLinks.com
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: DougH]
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08/05/03 04:56 PM
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Lloyd, with cable and a snatch block you could move a genII. I dragged my genII up the drive way with mine, with the tires locked up, and low on air. Granted it isnt a stuck, but flat 33's give alot of drag.
That is still no comparison to the drag of being actually stuck, with vehicle parts dragging. Its amazing, even a light duty 8K winch would drag your truck like you mentioned with little trouble, but add buried in mud, or hopelessly mired on rocks or in snow, and forget it. When I did it we dragged the vehicles sideways, one on the front, one on the back. Forward with 2 would probably be easier, then again we were not stuck bad, just off camber.
1996 SR From the Area 51 Skunk Works. 37"BFG Tires, 5" lift, Rock Track 4:1 Case, Tom Woods Drive Shafts, Oasis Air, Front ARB, lifted gas tank, T-max winch and lots of stuff that cost too much.
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: Lloyd Swartz]
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08/05/03 06:16 PM
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Seems like a good idea for newbies like me is to go out and practice some time. Preferably with a buddy. Otherwise, maybe try to find a spot that's "stuck one way" but that I can get out the opposite way. I'm sure it's like climbing, or caving (Lloyd), or anything else for that matter. Better to practice rescue techniques in a controlled environment before you actually need them in the field... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand! Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top Her Truck: 03, 3.8, 20th Anniv, 65k Daughter's: 06 Eclipse, Keeping it Mitsu! FSMs: MitsubishiLinks.com
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: MontyMcV]
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08/05/03 07:00 PM
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Or just go out wheeling with folks more equipped and more experienced than yourself <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: MontyMcV]
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08/05/03 10:28 PM
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Seems like a good idea for newbies like me is to go out and practice some time. Preferably with a buddy. Otherwise, maybe try to find a spot that's "stuck one way" but that I can get out the opposite way. I'm sure it's like climbing, or caving (Lloyd), or anything else for that matter. Better to practice rescue techniques in a controlled environment before you actually need them in the field... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> First, dont listen to Eric! What a Mooch! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> Thats a good idea though. A recovery practice trip would be cool. I bet busier locations could do something like that, like AZ, CA or CO crowd. Or we can just all do Blanca next weekend and youll get all the practice you ever need! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />
1996 SR From the Area 51 Skunk Works. 37"BFG Tires, 5" lift, Rock Track 4:1 Case, Tom Woods Drive Shafts, Oasis Air, Front ARB, lifted gas tank, T-max winch and lots of stuff that cost too much.
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Re: Are Hi Lift Jacks Dangerous?
[Re: Lloyd Swartz]
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08/06/03 02:50 PM
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Lloyd, with cable and a snatch block you could move a genII. I dragged my genII up the drive way with mine, with the tires locked up, and low on air. Granted it isnt a stuck, but flat 33's give alot of drag.
That is still no comparison to the drag of being actually stuck, with vehicle parts dragging. Its amazing, even a light duty 8K winch would drag your truck like you mentioned with little trouble, but add buried in mud, or hopelessly mired on rocks or in snow, and forget it. When I did it we dragged the vehicles sideways, one on the front, one on the back. Forward with 2 would probably be easier, then again we were not stuck bad, just off camber. Mired on rocks?
97 Montero SR: Factory rear locker, 3.5 L 24 Valve V6, ActivTrac 4wd (Love it) , 3 way suspension, four wheel disk brakes, 32x11.50 Pirelli Scorpion ATs
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