Tom, my comment about "them" is not directed at any particular site. Don't let your position or affiliation with other sites jaundice my words or infer an attack against any site or person. So you know, there is animosity between the people who started 4x4Wire and off-road.com (where our founders all came from), but you don't hear or see us bashing ORC. We have seen bashing from another very large 4WD non-vehicle-specific site. So while you choose to infer one thing, you don't have the full scope.

You're right - Sherri's question has been answered, so we can kill this.