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Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) #383339 01/20/04 07:12 PM
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Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) #383340 01/20/04 07:56 PM
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A rear sway bar is another effective option, may be a lot easier to install than a front bar, depending on your front and rear end setups. I put on an Addco rear bar for a while last summer on my '85 and it worked fine. Its off now until I get the rear axle and other stuff worked out, but it made a big difference in handling and will be going on after the rear end work is done.

I also found that issues like minor bump steer are related to overall steering geometry. When I had this problem, I also had problems with wearing front end components like spring bushings and ultimately had problems with death wobble. Fixing the caster angle (I had too little) made the steering a lot more solid and now if I hit bumps with the front end, it stays put.

Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) [Re: 4Crawler] #383341 01/20/04 08:19 PM
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Brian, I know you mentioned body roll, but I have had good results on resistance to road irregularities (what, here in Colorado?!? Naw...) by going to 0" toe-in. No funny wear either. Can't remember whose idea I stole but someone on the forum.


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Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) [Re: Brian894X4] #383342 01/20/04 11:40 PM
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Now it doesn't really sound like it would be worth it. I am, however, definatley serious about adding a front swaybar w/ disconnects. I just can't stand the body roll on the highway. Erik, didn't you put a Tacoma bar upside down on your SAS truck. If so, how did that work and do you have any pictures?

Edit: Never mind, I found what i was looking for on your site. Very cool. Is the sway bar still working out for you?


yep, still use it almost all the time on the street. The only thing I don't really like is that the front is much stiffer sway-wise than the rear, so the truck follows the front. On uneven roads, the truck follows the front and rocks the truck back and forth w/ the road instead of kinda smoothing it out like it would do if the front and rear were better balanced. Its not bad, but its wierd. Especially when pulling out of a parking lot at an angle too fast. A small rear swaybar to even things out would be nice, but I don't care enough to bother. Just the front is good enough.


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Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) [Re: TNToy] #383343 01/21/04 07:25 AM
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Simple: If your drag link (will only work with crossover, not that stupid factory push-pull) and your panhard bar are the same length and they're also parallel, then the panhard bar will force the axle to swing in the exact same arc that the drag link travels through as the suspension cycles.


Can't say as I've ever seen a set up where the panhard rod and the drag link are the same length. A panhard rod could minimize bump steer when the tires are pointed straight ahead but when the wheels are turned the drag link and panhard rod will swing different arcs. Heck, my '00 Dodge has some nasty bump steer and it's got a panhard/track bar..... Yes, it's stock suspension.

Brian

Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) [Re: Brian894X4] #383344 01/21/04 03:00 PM
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JL4X4X45 has a home made Panhard Rod on his 89 P/U,D44,44044 SAS. It is not "quick" disconnect but it comes off with a little wrenching for every trail. It is adjustable for length and runs from the drivers U bolt plate to the passenger frame. He says it helps a little but that it does not help as much as he expected based on the theroy.

Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) #383345 01/21/04 08:36 PM
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Drv U-bolt to Pass Frame? Doesn't that run opposite the drag link - I'm assuming a crossover steering set-up?

Brian

Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) [Re: NVR FNSH] #383346 01/21/04 11:13 PM
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It is a cross over steering set up. Now that you asked I am not positive that it runs from the passenger frame or from the driver frame. I thought that the purpose was to locate the axle to limit side to side movement. What would change if it were not parallel to the drag link?

Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) #383347 01/21/04 11:28 PM
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The panhard rod and the drag link would be 'fighting' each other to control which arc the axle follows - the drag link will lose with the result being bump steer since the upper end of the panhard rod can move since it's attached to the pitman arm.

Brian

Re: Panhard rod for the front? (SAS) [Re: NVR FNSH] #383348 01/21/04 11:37 PM
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Simple: If your drag link (will only work with crossover, not that stupid factory push-pull) and your panhard bar are the same length and they're also parallel, then the panhard bar will force the axle to swing in the exact same arc that the drag link travels through as the suspension cycles.


Can't say as I've ever seen a set up where the panhard rod and the drag link are the same length. A panhard rod could minimize bump steer when the tires are pointed straight ahead but when the wheels are turned the drag link and panhard rod will swing different arcs. Heck, my '00 Dodge has some nasty bump steer and it's got a panhard/track bar..... Yes, it's stock suspension.

Brian


Arcs are defined by the radii. If the length of each doesn't change, the arc doesn't change. It should still help the same even when turning.

Frank.


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