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Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: Paul223] #395534 03/05/04 05:01 AM
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ZackaryMac Offline OP
Wheeler
You guys are great, sharing all this information. This is stuff I could never find anywhere else. Honestly, this post is for anyone wanting to talk about diesels. People have a tendancy to talk more when there is an active post, so please feel free to write.
Interesting, I was wondering about the Borg-Warner transmission thing....so maybe it wasn't available in US then. If that's the case, it makes my bell housing more rare than I though. I am looking for another one (why, I have no idea) but don't expexct to find one. Advertising is free, so why not? Odd that the smaller market in Canada ends up with something like this.
Sounds like the intercooler is more work than it's worth at this point. Just getting the turbo on and working could be fun in itself, and to complicate matters, this is my daily driver so time is limited. We have a car too, but do you think the wife would be willing to give it up for a few days? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
Indeed, ONE hp makes a difference when you don't have many. When you're on the highway going uphill, speed limit is 110 km/h, and you have your foot planted on the floor in 4th going 70km/h, ANYTHING is a help. Loaded tractor-trailers are passing you. And you have nothing in the box of your truck. And there is no headwind. 4-way flashers have to come on by law at 70. Really, it's that slow. I'm sure in non-North American countries it's more tolerable, but most people here don't like it. I say don't tailgate me, just push !! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Secondary highways aren't so bad.
I found the weight of my truck on the internet to be around 3000lbs, so it is kinda heavy. I wonder if the Pup is lighter? I know the father-in-law's is, because half of it rusted off. Opening the engine hood is difficult because it wants to fall apart. Oh well.

JLemond:
Will your manifold fit my engine? Either I find a manifold somewhere, or I make one. I'll bet the turbo I have has a different mounting flange than the Isuzu. Minor detail.
You have much knowledge of Isuzu diesels. Small diesels never were too popular here, with the exception of VW. Now the rage is 300hp pick-ups. Great, if you need to haul a million pounds. I understand their mileage isn't so great either. It makes sense as you can't get power from nothing. Lots of guys have them and don't haul much of anything. To each his own. I just want a bit more not-slowing-to-a-crawl power.

Maybe some day I'll buy that Mercedes engine and stuff it into a ¢ ton .... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />


1994 Chev S10 Ext.Cab with C223 5spd
1991 S10 Sonoma Ext.Cab with C223 5spd - SOLD

Kubota B6100 diesel with accessories
Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: ZackaryMac] #395535 03/09/04 03:46 AM
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ZackaryMac Offline OP
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The truck did a strange thing on the way home tonight...I noticed when I would give it throttle it would give a cloud of blue smoke. It didn't do this on the way in to work this morning, but only on the way home. I tried this a few times, and it eventually faded away, so that by the time I was ¢ way home, it stopped. Strange. It doesn't use any amount of oil to speak of, and ran fine. Clogged EGR system perhaps? Moisture frozen in the vent hose maybe...guess I'll keep an eye on it in the morning.
Coincidentally, I received a call tonight from a guy wanting to sell his 1985 S10 diesel. I had placed an add in a local "barter" publication. He says it has been sitting for about a year because it failed Safety Inspection due to severe rust, and isn't seized. He claims there are "lots" of miles on it...lots? Hmmmm. Guess I'll have to see how many myself, as he lives less than an hour from here. Price : $500. Call me cheap, but $500 seems like a lot for an old, rotten diesel that no one wants but me . Guess I'll have to make him an insulting offer and see what he says. If it was so valuable, it would have been gone long before a year, I'm sure. Might take a drive there this weekend for a look. Boy, will the wife be impressed! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />
I'll let you know what happens. With the truck. Not the wife. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


1994 Chev S10 Ext.Cab with C223 5spd
1991 S10 Sonoma Ext.Cab with C223 5spd - SOLD

Kubota B6100 diesel with accessories
Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: ZackaryMac] #395536 03/09/04 06:43 PM
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JLEMOND Offline
Body Damage is Cool
HI backto your 2.2 dsl no the imark manifold won,t fit but i do have a manifold for the 2.2 eng . and the manifold flange where the turbo bolts on is about 2 1/2 by about 3inch bolts spacing, not to difficult to install, one oil line from the connection on the block where the vacc,, pmp is hooked up and a large return line back to the oil pan, then the typical ex, hookup, and the air intake . depending on the rear end gear in your truck somewhere in the 3.40 to 3.73 range and keep the rpm below 3-3500 and even the small rods will last a long time , what happened to these eng when in the troopr, which came with 4.55 gears as soon as the turbo would start building boost at around 2- 2500 rpm if you weren,t careful the eng would go rite to 4800 or higher , even though the pmp has a mech, governor that is suppossed to limit the rpm to 4200 it would reve so fast from 3500 up that it would shoot rite past the gov weights , and the eng would just keep going , after a few times of this the rod bolts would stretch and the one that came loose first would then rock or hinge back and forth on the still tight rod bolt untill it broke and then kaboom, i have saw these things break rods or rather crack them rite at the big end rite where the i beam starts and not break the bolts and they can usually be saved , they will make a loud pop sound and if you know what to listen for no biggie , but if the eng is turning any big no,s. you can kiss it good by . judicious use of the throttle and the eng will last an incrediably long time , hot rodding one be prepared to walk .. jerry , by the way a standard 82 --85 pickup weighed with a.c. and pwr st, rite around 2600 lb,s and most all came with 5spd and 3.73 gears no 4spd turbo,s 4wd all came with 4.11 4 or 5spd, some of the standard dsl,s that came with the 4spd came with 3.42 all 86 troopers came with 4.55 gas and dsl and in 87 the only year, the trooper with the turbo dsl came with 4.11 gears , trying to slow the eng down a bit

Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: JLEMOND] #395537 03/13/04 12:54 AM
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ZackaryMac Offline OP
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Tomorrow I am going to look at another S10 diesel that I mentioned on the last post. It's not too far from here so it's no big deal. Owner claims it should fire up with little coaxing. Just as well, as I may buy it, seeing how mine has decided to smoke a lot. My best guess is that one or more cylinders could have broke a ring. It starts and runs fine, but after runnung a couple of minutes it leaves a nice blue trail when accelerating. Nothing stinks worse than a diesel burning oil. It's getting worse over the last couple of days. It goes away after 10 minutes or so, at least I can't see it in my mirrors by that point. Removing the oil cap doesn't produce any great amount of blow-by, so my first suspicions of a plugged PCV system are not likely correct, though a simple tube removal tomorrow will verify that. I can't stand to have a motor burning oil. Smoke from too much fuel is one thing (which can be controlled easily), but oil smoke is another. *Sigh. Not what I was looking forward to be doing. I'm guessing these engines aren't cheap to rebuild either. Guess I'll have to price up everything and go from there. If this other motor is any good at all, I'll swap it in and rebuild this one. Or something.
I'll let you know what the other one is like.

Cheers for now! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


1994 Chev S10 Ext.Cab with C223 5spd
1991 S10 Sonoma Ext.Cab with C223 5spd - SOLD

Kubota B6100 diesel with accessories
Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: ZackaryMac] #395538 03/14/04 04:17 AM
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ZackaryMac Offline OP
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Looked at the S10 diesel this morning, and I've seen worse. Frame is starting to rust through at the back, back of front fenders, and no doubt the cab mounts are toast. Snow is about 1 to 2 feet deep around the truck so it's hard to look under. 467 000 kms on the clock. Ya, that's all. Yikes. Glow plugs don't work, guy claims a local shop did somethig to them when repairing bad tail light. He has no reason to lie to me, so I accept this. I say this because he is an older gentleman and isn't all anxious about selling it. He's getting rid of it because he knows it will sit there and rot to nothing before he'd think of doing anthing with it. Says he put a NEW gas tank on shortly before parking it for good, plus 1 new strap, another new one in the garage. New vacuum pump (remember they are separate on this, unlike the Pup) and it looks it, injectors rebuilt not long before sitting, and they too look to have been off. Exhaust isn't too old, and is quiet. Tires still ¢ life left, 3/4 tank of fuel still in it. Alternator siezed, belt off. The radiator even looks good. Tried to start it strictly off jumper cables, but that didn't work as I expected. So we take a battery out of a car he hasn't been driving, hook it up. He had the truck plugged in for a few hours. No functioning glow plugs to use, around freezing temps plus annoying breeze, truck has been sitting for 14 months and never started, turn the key, and it finally fires up after about ONE SECOND of winding it over, and sits there and idles like it was started every day. It was cold too, cause I felt it before he started it. No smoke. Nothing. Just sits there and idles smoothly. It sounded tighter than my own engine. Guess I'll be buying this one. I'm guessing a rebuild for mine will shoot a large hole in $1000 so this is a cheaper way out for now, as then I can rebuild the other one when $$$ and time permit. Can anyone give me some idea what these cost to rebuild? $455 gives me bearings, rings, seals, & gaskets, but no pistons, wrist pins, clips, etc. Do these have replaceable sleeves, or do you bore these? Pistons usually go too? Valves? Never had to take this one apart, so I can only guess.
That's all for now.

PS Oh yea, I didn't make him an offer just yet. He can't get the truck out of the concrete snow anyway so I'm safe for a bit. Don't want to look TOO anxious, now do I. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


1994 Chev S10 Ext.Cab with C223 5spd
1991 S10 Sonoma Ext.Cab with C223 5spd - SOLD

Kubota B6100 diesel with accessories
Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: ZackaryMac] #395539 03/14/04 11:27 PM
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ZackaryMac Offline OP
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Well, I figured out the cylinder liner thing...all I had to do was look in my Isuzu Parts manual. Duh. Over sized pistons, in true Japanese fashion. Possibly the valve seals decided to go south in my truck. Either way, I think I will buy the other truck, seeing how it is cheap enough. I just have to see what his final price will be. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


1994 Chev S10 Ext.Cab with C223 5spd
1991 S10 Sonoma Ext.Cab with C223 5spd - SOLD

Kubota B6100 diesel with accessories
Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: ZackaryMac] #395540 03/20/04 03:30 AM
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ZackaryMac Offline OP
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Got a call from another guy who claims he has 2 engines, one he wants to sell. The one he's selling is still in the truck and can be seen\heard running, and driven I'm sure. Claims the motor was rebuilt less than 100,000 kms ago. Says the receipts are in the truck. It's got a cracked manifold, and supposed to leak a bit of oil, or quite a bit, as the valve cover is leaking bad, and maybe an inspection cover on the side too, but it's too oily to tell for sure, or so he says. Runs strong, needs about a liter of oil every 1000 kms, from leaking he claims. I'm a sceptic, I know. I've been disappointed by too many descriptions to believe most people. Anyway, he lives about 2 hours from here, and doesn't have a price yet. He says he's not looking to make a fortune off of it, and knows he will never use it when it's removed, so would rather sell it than have it sit around then throw it out. Of course when he advertises it, someone will call to use it in their boat, so I'd better get back to him quickly. Ya, ok.
I'm wondering...if this motor is so great, why replace it with another, instead of just fixing a few leaks? Especially a valve cover? How much easier does it get than that? I'll probably have a look at it, but unless it's cheap, I believe the other will be my choice.

Opinions?


1994 Chev S10 Ext.Cab with C223 5spd
1991 S10 Sonoma Ext.Cab with C223 5spd - SOLD

Kubota B6100 diesel with accessories
Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: ZackaryMac] #395541 03/20/04 04:23 AM
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jezeric Offline
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Personally, I think that's a few too many leaks and not enough information. If someone wants to put it in their boat, I'd say let them and find something that's a bit easier to gauge for yourself.

James

Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: jezeric] #395542 03/20/04 06:04 AM
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wb86 Offline
Wheeler
Agree completely w/ jezeric.

Many times I get call backs on 350 GM motors, ya know buy it now or it will end up in boat. Most people in my neck of the woods don't care how many leaks etc. it has, they are going to replace all the seals before it goes in their boat anyway and modify it to adapt to their situation.

Personally I like the sound of the other motor better. Its a gamble either way but the motor from the "old guy" sounds like a better choice.

my couple o pennies
Craig


1986 Isuzu Trooper 2dr LWB
1999 Saturn SL
Re: Sonoma Diesel [Re: wb86] #395543 03/30/04 12:11 AM
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ZackaryMac Offline OP
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Since my smoking problem has been slowly getting worse, I've decided to buy the older guys complete truck, and swap motors. I feel he is honest about it and it would be a safer bet. Besides, the other guy said he has receipts for the rebuild, but he also has another truck. Who says the receipts are for the motor he's trying to sell me? Anyway, the old fella says he's firm on his price. Hey, I had to try. Besides, it is a complete truck and I could use it around the place for throwing firewood into, etc, instead of throwing it through the tail lights or back window of my good truck. Plus is has quite a few good parts on it yet that will fit mine.
I think the rings in mine either stuck, or the oil I'm using cleaned out the crap behind the oil rings and now it smokes. Or space aliens from far away crawled inside my engine and are having a party in there. I don't think it's a valve seal problem as it would have to leak a LOT of oil down there to smoke like that, and with almost no vacuum with a diesel, I see no reason for that to happen. I have a Mazda gas engine sitting in my garage now that ran great but smokes like a train. Stuck oil rings. That model of engine was famous for it.
The old fellow said he'd call me when the snow melted enough to get it out. The foot or so in front of it now is like concrete. Warmer weather is coming so I expect a call by the end of the week.
I'll keep posting for entertainment sake. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


1994 Chev S10 Ext.Cab with C223 5spd
1991 S10 Sonoma Ext.Cab with C223 5spd - SOLD

Kubota B6100 diesel with accessories
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