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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: jgalt] #413123 03/10/04 07:51 AM
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I ended up tapping my spring pins through <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />-lightly. It was'nt hard enough to do any damage to the threads though. If it seems like you'll have to REALLY drive them through, I suggest reaming out the hole (reaming bit) enough to get the pins through. If you don't own your own drill motor, (and it soundz like you don't) rather than paying someone else to do it, why not run down to your local hardware store, and pick up a rat-tail file, and ream the holes out yerself? At least that way you'll have a little more control over how much material You want to remove.
Tap the pins through, then put a little locktite on the threads and snug them down. You don't need to over-torque these as they can grenade on you, as you read previously. Also the pin is'nt really there to keep the pack together as much as it is to keep the leaves from shifting around in the pack. Tightening the U-Bolts will do that for you. Good luck Uni!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/coolg.gif" alt="" />

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Re: redoing rear susp. - shim ? #413124 03/10/04 08:37 AM
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I ended up using 4 deg. shims on my rig. But...what I found was, that under load, with normal spring wrap, the operating angle of my pinion flange was actually was actually a little too high-I.E. my driveline was pointing quite a few degrees higher that my t-case flange. I then used the shims to lower the angle of my driveline (thick end of shim faces rear).


You know I thought I was the only one with the shims backwards, at least on purpose. I first put them in the proper way and still had a shutter at take off. Then tried to take them out and it helped a lot, only shuddered on heavy acceleration. But the driveline shop measured the angles and figured with shims fliped backwards I would actually be closer in-line. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />So I fliped it and no more shudder, to each truck its own.
I say leave them out, if it gives some shake, measure the angles and put the shims in the corosponding direction.

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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: unirevolt] #413125 03/10/04 02:21 PM
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The new centering pins are 3/8" dia. (nearly positive) Should I have my holes drilled out to 3/8 and "punch" them through or 7/16 and leave a little slack?


I would keep the clearance as tight as possible. People are already shearing the pins after lifting their trucks...... and having slack in there would probably increase the chance of that happening.


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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: strawmyers] #413126 03/10/04 03:30 PM
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I would keep the clearance as tight as possible. People are already shearing the pins after lifting their trucks...... and having slack in there would probably increase the chance of that happening.


Along this thinking get yourself a "V" size drill bit. It is .377 diameter. That should let the .375 pin pass through without "punching" it but not leave a lot of slop...only 2 thousandths.


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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: RodeoXS] #413127 03/11/04 12:07 AM
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Thanks for the advice, gettin'er done tomorrow (payday) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Matt


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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: unirevolt] #413128 03/11/04 11:21 PM
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I went to go get it done today. Shop told me it was going to take some time; "them springs are pretty hard you know" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> They start to drill through the overload using a little bit of oil, make it half way through and the guy decides that he can't do it. It only took him 30 secs. to do half... I asked if they were using a carbide bit; "just a standard bit." I asked if they wanted to try using a better drill bit, said they didn't want to risk it. Said that those drill bits are $50 a pop.
I told him that I bought one from Lowes for $17. Reply - that bit would only last long enough to drill out a few holes. That's all I need done - a few holes. (sorry need to vent)

Anyway, the other local place said they could do it with a plasma cutter. Do I want them to use a plasma cutter on my springs?


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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: strawmyers] #413129 03/12/04 12:57 AM
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I would keep the clearance as tight as possible. People are already shearing the pins after lifting their trucks...... and having slack in there would probably increase the chance of that happening.

I agree that less slack is better, as long as you can make the pin physically fit in the spring, but I'll speculate that the major reason for center pin breakage is loose U-bolts... and further, that the reason why many people shear pins after installing a lift is that they failed to adequately torque (and then retorque after a hundred miles) their U-bolts. FWIW, I carry spares, and have given out a few to folks who found that their U-bolts were finger tight! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

The center-pin should see minimal load, with the U-bolts tightened down. Consider the different dimensions of the clamped springs (approximate area between the spring plate and spring perch) and the cross section of that itty-bitty spring pin...

My advice is to leave the spring leaves undrilled, and to source a slightly smaller spring pin. Spring steel can be drilled with the right speed, pressure, and bit, but it is way easier to just swap out the pins.

Randii


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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: randii] #413130 03/12/04 03:25 AM
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...and further, that the reason why many people shear pins after installing a lift is that they failed to adequately torque (and then retorque after a hundred miles) their U-bolts


Guilty <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

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Spring steel can be drilled with the right speed, pressure, and bit, but it is way easier to just swap out the pins.


My add a leafs were already drilled (made to?) fit the larger pin. So I'm kinda stuck there. Any comments on using a plasma cutter?

I need get this figured out tomorrow.

One other thought that justy popped to mind - asking the local h.s. vo-tech to drill them....hmmm


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Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: unirevolt] #413131 03/12/04 06:00 AM
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Any comments on using a plasma cutter?

Don't. Not a good idea.

You would be better off with a couple new bits, some oil and some extra time on your hands.

Go for it.

Good Luck,
Michael

Re: redoing rear susp. - center pin hole ? [Re: randii] #413132 03/12/04 09:23 AM
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I would like to second Randii's inference that periodically checking, and tightening your U-bolts (especially after messing about with add-a-leaves etc.) is a VERY good idea. I run fairly heavy duty U-bolts (9/16") with "Nylock" nuts, and even those, after a couple of days of wheeling (or a few days of daily-drivin') can work themselves loose. If your using the basic parts-store brand U-bolts, they can back out even faster! Save yourself the aggravation (of damaged threads and sheared spring pins, or worse!))and slide under yer rig and snug those U-bolts down. You'll be glad you did! My 2 centz- <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Todd/HI

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