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everyone should learn to weld with a torch or a stick,

Good point <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Start with oxy/acet, then smaw-stick, tig, then mig. You will really get the knowledge from the first 3 then appreciate the ease of the mig to control your dropplets single handedly. Then you find it fun welding with your eyes closed (blindfolded) and only going by sound doing it left handed (normally right) with 100% pass and nickels in rows on both sides, winning bets of onlookers <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

LOL anyways check out harborfreight.com and do a search of "welders". You will see the Hobart 175 mig handler for $550. They have new "ironman" 210 units for 1050 so 800 for a rebuilt isnt bad. None the less have fun "burning it" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />