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Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: Runningman] #442294 05/18/04 03:39 AM
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BigBri Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Well I have my auto sitting outside right here. I can give you a guess on the plugs and wire colors if ya want. And shoot a photo that way too.

BTW, I have been reading up at marlincrawler.com and he likes to change the ECU when he does this swap. I've heard it both ways, change or don't change, but Marlin seems to think you get more power from the motor when you change the ECU to manual. I don't have the budget for a new ECU though, so I'm glad to here yours is running strong. right? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I know there are no smog issues though.

see ya, B.

Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: BigBri] #442295 05/18/04 01:51 PM
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Runningman Offline OP
Wheeler
All of the research I've done tells me that you get more power if you keep the exisitng ECU. Go figure...

It ran strong all weekend, but I'm having some other problems which are keeping the 4runner sidelined <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />.


85 Toyota 4runner with some stuff...
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Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: Runningman] #442296 05/18/04 08:37 PM
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BigBri Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Great news about the ECU, but sorry about the other problems. I too have heard that the auto ECU's can work better. Something about more aggresive ignition time and such. Good luck, I'll pass along what I find out about the tranny wiring.
B.

Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: BigBri] #442297 05/23/04 12:32 AM
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Runningman Offline OP
Wheeler
How's your progress on your swap?


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Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: Runningman] #442298 05/23/04 12:47 AM
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ZUK Offline
Body Damage is Cool
runningman----your bucking in the corners is typical of lockrites and manuals......a Detroit Soft-locker has less bucking.....and, of course, the automatic that you gave up makes all lockers pretty much transparent.


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01 Taco xtracab V6 auto TRD white
mostly stock
88 Runner/V6/auto/31"/5.29gear

Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: BigBri] #442299 05/23/04 05:11 AM
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BigBri Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Hey Runningman.
I finished mine today! Yipee! Finished except for the little stuff like interior and wires. Sure drives a lot better doesn't it. Haven't had it on the freeway yet though. Thanks for all the info, it really helped my job go smoother. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Good luck on your truck, what again what wrong with it?
Brian.

Oops, caught your other thread about it cutting out. I hope you got it squared away!
B.

Last edited by BigBri; 05/23/04 06:29 AM.
Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: BigBri] #442300 05/24/04 05:50 PM
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Genshie Offline
Wheeler
Hey guys,

I did this swap 2 years ago. Besides the heavy lifting, it was a pretty easy job. The clutch master mounting was the hardest (pedal bracket was already there for me).
The ECU from an auto tranny has a more advanced timing curve because as you have experienced, the auto tranny is geared horribly and gives poor performance. Therefore, the compensation with the ECU. The truck with a 5 speed and auto ECU is quicker than a stock 5 speed truck. The real trick is wiring your reverse lights! I tapped into the wires that run from the ECU back on the passenger side to the reverse lights. Had to find them by using a voltmeter.

I am also going to make a kill switch out of the hotwired "neutral safety switch".

Enjoy!

Kurt G.


Dented 85 4Runner courtesy of Wrecking Ball.
Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question.... [Re: Runningman] #442301 05/24/04 05:56 PM
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Genshie Offline
Wheeler
In regards to the 4x4 light, pull your gauge cluster out and find the wire that plugs in to the back for the 4x4 light. tap into that wire with a new one and run it straight to the connector on the tranny (there should already be power from the existing wire). It is a negative ground, so when you shift it into 4wd, it grounds and the light comes on. Same thing with the reverse lights.

Good luck!


Dented 85 4Runner courtesy of Wrecking Ball.
Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question....updated with pics [Re: Runningman] #442302 05/26/04 08:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2003
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MrWiretender Offline
Mudrunner
Are the two transmissions identical in length - any driveshaft issues?

So my hard parts list s/b:
Trans, bell housing and mount
Flywheel, throw-out bearing, clutch & pilot bearing
Master cylinder, slave, hard line and pedal assembly
What have I missed?????

Any special tools other than tranny jack?

If you have any tips not mentioned in doing the swap I'd appreciate hearing of it now. I'm seriously considering doing the swap while my motor is out.

Ted


'87 22RE
Re: Pulling Auto Tranny....Question....updated with pics [Re: MrWiretender] #442303 05/27/04 03:49 AM
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Runningman Offline OP
Wheeler
The W-56 is around 1-5/8" longer than the auto tranny. I'm running 3" of sus. lift and was able to reuse my driveshafts without any issues. Might be a different story depending on how high/low your truck is.

Your parts list looks good to me. You will want to add on the two bushings for the tranny shifter. Look here,

http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/shifter/index.html

I can't think of anything else that I haven't already posted. Creating holes in the firewall for the master cyl. was the hardest part for me <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />. Take your time when you do it.

If you have any more ?'s post here and I'll try to answer them. I want this thread to have all the info for auto to manual swaps. So people don't have to look everywhere for bits & pieces like I did. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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