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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: Kevin C]
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03/03/09 07:34 PM
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So you're sayin theres a chance <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />
I'm going to see how cheap I can get the turbo parts for and probably go ahead and try this. I'm assuming everyone with the turbo runs high octane? Anything aside from whats in this thread that I need to know about the truck longlock turbo swap?
PS I will make sure to have a decent IC setup to minimize intake temps as well.
Last edited by Jamez; 03/03/09 07:36 PM.
'87 Raider w/rebuilt 2.6 Weber 32/36
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: Kevin C]
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03/04/09 08:19 PM
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I ran 8.7 to 1 CR pistons with a stock Starion turbo system and got that same light part throttle detonation. I found that the primary spring on the advance weights on the Starion distributor was super light allowing a lot of mechanical advance at a low RPM range.
By swapping in the springs from the carb motors distributor I was able to slow the advance curve so that I did not get the part throttle detonation.
Kevin You crack me up. Damn I wish we were in the same area. Then I could bring over beers and hang out in your garage... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> (Don't anyone be reading into that. We're both married. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> )Jamez: I run cheap gas myself. I don't think the Quest calls for premium. A assume the lower CR offsets.
Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand! Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top Her Truck: 03, 3.8, 20th Anniv, 65k Daughter's: 06 Eclipse, Keeping it Mitsu! FSMs: MitsubishiLinks.com
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: MontyMcV]
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03/04/09 08:57 PM
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(Don't anyone be reading into that. We're both married. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />) To women? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />
Fasteddy's advice is occasionally sound...
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: Kevin C]
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03/05/09 08:07 AM
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I chalked the detonation up to a flat spot on my TPS. Yes, I did have the knock sensor connected and yes it was working. It takes about a minute for the normal timing maps to come back after it senses detonation. Starion guys have been running 8.7 pistons for a good while now and I haven't heard much in the way of detonation complaints. You can run 8.7 on pump gas without problems. Personally, I wouldn't do it again without the oil squirters. Jamez: I run cheap gas myself. I don't think the Quest calls for premium. A assume the lower CR offsets. You are braver than I. Premium isn't required per se, but it is recommended for the Quests.
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: Jamez]
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03/11/09 09:26 PM
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JAMEZ, I have just about all of the parts you need for the turbo conversion including ported intake and exhaust manifolds, bigger TBI with new trilogy turbo injectors, distributor, wiring harness with upgrade for 1G AFM, etc. PM me if you're interested.
83 mitsu flat bed 2.6l weber, 88 auto tranny, 2" body lift, 4.625 LSD, 235/85-16E mudders (33 x 9.50).
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: StarionGTO]
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03/12/09 04:19 AM
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I chalked the detonation up to a flat spot on my TPS. Yes, I did have the knock sensor connected and yes it was working. It takes about a minute for the normal timing maps to come back after it senses detonation. Starion guys have been running 8.7 pistons for a good while now and I haven't heard much in the way of detonation complaints. You can run 8.7 on pump gas without problems. Personally, I wouldn't do it again without the oil squirters. Jamez: I run cheap gas myself. I don't think the Quest calls for premium. A assume the lower CR offsets. You are braver than I. Premium isn't required per se, but it is recommended for the Quests. Then again most of the Starion guy disconnect everything they can think of including the spark box and detonation sensor and wonder why they have a pile of melted parts. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> I built my first 8.7 motor about 16 years ago. I eventualy setteled on 7.8 to 1 as a good compromise. The fuel I had in Cali would still drop the timing/ boost back at part throttle. The gas in the Portland area is a lot better. Kevin
87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: MontyMcV]
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03/12/09 04:21 AM
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I ran 8.7 to 1 CR pistons with a stock Starion turbo system and got that same light part throttle detonation. I found that the primary spring on the advance weights on the Starion distributor was super light allowing a lot of mechanical advance at a low RPM range.
By swapping in the springs from the carb motors distributor I was able to slow the advance curve so that I did not get the part throttle detonation.
Kevin You crack me up. Damn I wish we were in the same area. Then I could bring over beers and hang out in your garage... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> (Don't anyone be reading into that. We're both married. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> )Jamez: I run cheap gas myself. I don't think the Quest calls for premium. A assume the lower CR offsets. Welcome over any time.... Best part is the grill is next to the garage. Nothing like burgers and beer. Kevin
87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: Kevin C]
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03/12/09 06:48 PM
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What would be a ballpark price on the parts needed? I have seen prices all over the place for whole (or near whole) cars as well as parts on starion boards. I figure if a parts car can go for well under a grand, a small pile of parts should be what, few hundredish?
'87 Raider w/rebuilt 2.6 Weber 32/36
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: Jamez]
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03/13/09 05:59 PM
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1988 MITSUBISHI STARION D-VILLE - $1000 (Douglasville)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to: see below Date: 2009-03-12, 9:41AM EDT
I have a Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R that im selling it runs with a few problems. Note I didnt say minor problems, first off it needs a top end rebuild the 4th clyinders exaust valves are frozen. And the head gasket is blown. I bought the car back in september under the basis that it had this done but "it just needs a clutch and a battery" so i couldnt chk how accurate this was. However hard i may have been screwed isnt your problem. I just want a car that i can get running so i can go places. Im about 3k deep into this heep of *****. excuse my language, but after i got it running i found out it didnt have any work done to the top end. but im taking 1k obo for the car if you want pics i have them on myspace so hit me up ill send you a link. This would be a great parts car. with a fresh rebuilt turbo and other good parts in the car like mint interior except front seats and other misc parts are in superior shape compared to what ive seen.
i could make it to where you could drive the car home if you live close but i wouldnt try.
or call me at 678-571-1021 to see the half black have primer car that hauls ass eventho its broke. For example. Perfect for what you need. Take out your parts, and part out the rest to the starquest guys for probably a grand plus change, and you'd probably come out with a motor you need to rebuild, and all the conversion parts, for free. In about 1990 I paid $300 for an 85 in about the same shape. I parted it out for $1200 and made $100 on the scrap iron.
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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible ADD 87 Starion B38 connector
[Re: fasteddy]
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03/18/09 01:38 AM
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I just posted an ad for an 83 Starion FSM if anyone is looking...
Russell
1987 Raider - Roxy 1988 Mighty Max 2.6L Turbo - Pearl 1997 Mountaineer V8 - Freddy 2000 Excursion V10 - Freya
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