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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: dadrab] #451225 01/06/10 08:57 PM
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Hmm, how'd I not find that thread...? Anyways, truth be told, there really isn't a project under way. It was all a ruse to get you to come back to the dark side. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

87monty, do keep us posted of course. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: MontyMcV] #451226 01/06/10 09:41 PM
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Im going to Find this wire and hope it will end my sleepless nights... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
You guys rock, The support here is Awsome!!!
P.S is this Blue wire Like a 2mm with no stripes or smaller?

Last edited by 87monty; 01/06/10 09:54 PM.


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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: 87monty] #451227 01/08/10 05:44 PM
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Well it's Friday, Heading stright to the monty after work to Hopefully get the wiring all done. Ill keep you posted! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />



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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: Kevin C] #451228 01/09/10 11:51 PM
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Connections to the ECU for a 88-89 Starion.

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The third picture con2.jpg has the spark box connector at the bottom center of the picture.

Dist type: It must be a turbo dist. The non turbo units have an igniter built in and are not compatible. the turbo has only a pickup coil and where the igniter goes is empty.

Power to the coil: You need to have 12 volts direct to the coils hot side. I got mine from the original carb motors ignition feed.

There will be two wires for the ignition from the original harness (these stayed even after you removed the original carb engine harness). One of these wires is 12 volts when in the run position. The other is 12 volts when the key is in the cranking position. Connect both of these to the positive terminal on the coil.

The factory turbo spark box will ground the negative terminal on the coil. When a spark is called for it will disconnect this ground and you will get a spark as the magnetic field in the coil collapses.

I am assuming you tested two coils and you donÆt have a bad coil or coil wire.

Next on my list is power and ground for the spark box.

The box has a 10 pin connector. Look at the pin side of the connector with the retaining clip facing upwards. On the top row second wire from the left (1.25 mm black wire) is ground. Verify this with an ohmmeter between the pin and the body of the vehicle.

Verify the motor is grounded to the body as well.

The top right wire goes to ground as well (Black with a yellow stripe). This same wire connects to pin 58 on the ECU.

Power to the spark unit comes from the ECI control relay.
This wire is in the bottom row of the connector in the center position (red 1.25 mm). This wire must have power during cranking and when in the run position. This same wire goes to pin 51 on the ecu for ecu power.

Next on the list is the connection to the coil. There are a number of connections to the coil. One is a blue white wire (bottom row second from the left). This connects the negative terminal of the coil.

Also connector to the negative side of the coil is the tach wire that goes into the original wiring harness.

Make sure the fuel injection harness is grounded near the spark box. Look for a large lug with a large and a smaller black wire going to it. Make sure it has a good connection to the body.


Connections!

Connections you need to make the system work:

You will notice a number of large black squares. Those are the ground points (1,2, 5, 8, 9,11).

System power:

You need power connected to four wires.

1: At the ignition switch to the wire labeled 2-BY (black wire with a yellow stripe). This wire needs to get voltage only in the cranking position.
2: The ON wire again at the ignition switch labeled 3-BW (black wire with a white stripe). This wire needs power in the cranking position and when running. I can post the connections to the ignition switch for a 87 Raider a bit later.
3: The next wire is the power to the fuel pump relay the wire is a 1.25 mm black wire to the battery (connector A34)
4: The last wire is the ECUÆs constant power wire. It is also connected through connector A34 (3-W, white wire). This guy needs a small fuse and constant power from the battery. This keeps the memory working when you shut the car off the ECU remembers what tuning it learned when driving around.

That is all the EFI power the system needs to work.


You still need power to the + side of the ignition coil.

You can power the ignition coil from either the Starion harness or the MonteroÆs original harness. I like using the power wire from the Montero harness.

Remember you need to see +12v at the positive side of the coil during cranking and running.

The negative side should be held low and go high to produce a spark.

Kevin


My starion B-38 Harness Does not have the Black with white wire stated above on line#2. I have the starion B-38 Black and yellow wires tapped into the monty truck harness (Power in the start pos) Blue wire Connected to switched 12V+
1.25 black wire to constent 12v+. I have 12V power to the coil in cranking and in run pos. Also I ran a wire from the Blue wire on the B-38 connector to the coils + side and still no spark.
One more thing my B-38 connector only has 10 wires and in the discription above shows 14! My harness is from a 87 starion.

Im sitting here not knowing what to do please help!!!!!



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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: 87monty] #451229 01/10/10 04:20 AM
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fasteddy Offline OP
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Ok, we are down to two or three possibilities. Spark box or dizzy or coil. There is no igniter in the dizzy, just a reluctor, which is an alternating current generator. The spark box see's the a/c voltage go from + to - (or vice versa) and triggers a spark by disconnecting the coil path to ground. Using an a/c voltmeter connected to the dizzy harness connector, crank the motor and see if you see voltage on the meter, going from + to -. If not, pull the dizzy and take it apart and clean all the connectors. Check the fine wire coil around the shaft with an ohmeter per the fsm for continuity. If you take out the two screws the D shaped piece will come out so you can get at those connections.

Test the coil. Using a jumper wire from battery to coil +, and another jumper from coil- to ground, holding the coil wire about 1/4" from a good ground, make and break the jumper connection from coil- to ground. The coil wire should make a hot spark. If not, the coil is bad.

There is not a good test for the spark box. Swap with a known good one to test. The only test I know is to put a voltmeter or test light on the wire from spark box to coil -, unconnected from the coil. Crank the motor, and you should see the voltage drop as the spark box breaks the coil path to ground.

Do these tests and report back.


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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: fasteddy] #451230 01/11/10 01:21 AM
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So I tested the Coil and got a huge fat spark as you said to do, Took the Dizzy apart and tested the windings for Electrical Continuity And did on both connections.
As for the Spark box I just upgraded it to the 88. Before I pulled the motor out of the starion it ran on the 87 Spark box. But from what I here the 88 is way better so thats whats in it. I did test that power was going to it but thats it so far. The Dizzy was dirty inside but not to bad.
Oh I did notice some redish dust in the cap and rotor.

Last edited by 87monty; 01/11/10 01:32 AM.


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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: 87monty] #451231 01/11/10 01:48 AM
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fasteddy Offline OP
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IIRC, there are two wires in the dizzy harness. When you tested continuity, did you test from wire to wire? and with a test light or ohmeter?

I think you have to change some wires to use the 88 spark box in an 87. Check on the starquest boards for the change. or use the 87 spark box and save the upgrade until you learn how.


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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: fasteddy] #451232 01/11/10 02:16 AM
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MontyMcV Offline
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Are you just pluggin in the 88-89 box? There definitely is something to be done to use it with an 87 harness. Can't remember what I did. Got the info off of SQC and did it with no muss.

Like Eddy said, use the 87 knockbox for now if you still can and get it running.


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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: MontyMcV] #451233 01/11/10 02:51 AM
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87monty Offline
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Well you cant just plug it in its a totaly diffrent plug and all I did was follow the the steps in this link.
http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38951

I still have the old one if I need to use that.
It was pretty easy All the wires match up and there is two you dont use.

For the dizzy I used the "BEEP" Test When you connect the + on one side then the - on the other it will beep if the circut/wire is not broken

Last edited by 87monty; 01/11/10 02:55 AM.


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Re: The TURBO CONVERSION Bible article project post [Re: 87monty] #451234 01/11/10 03:11 AM
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Here is a pic of how I tested it. kinda rough but its was a quicky. Tested left side with + and - for Continuity, Then the right side.


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Last edited by 87monty; 01/11/10 08:33 PM.
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