I have the All-Pro crossover on my 85 Toy and it feels faster than my stock setup. Or maybe my old PS pump was just close to taking a dump and that is why I noticed a big difference. The crossover steering should be a big improvement in all aspects of driving, on road and off. It will allow you to use full suspension travel and have reduced bumpsteer. Go for it you'll like it.

bill i have one of sky's wide axle kits on the garage floor with some ifs hubs will do the install this month let ya know -skinner

i made my own
all it is, is a spacer between the hub and
the rotor, with longer bolts going thru the
spacer.
simple really.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by 4Crawler:Slower compared to what? All my standard and high steer setups had the same # of turns lock to lock as the stock '85 steering (to which I've made may comparisons to). [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Lock to lock is steering-box-based. Has nothing to do with draglink/tierod setup, so it will always be the same # of turns.

IFS to SAS w/ Hysteer = slower steering = more steering wheel movement to turn same distance. Period. That's just the way it is. It's not a big deal, just a fact of life.

I'd estimate, based on non-scientific "seat of the pants" test that Allpro's hysteer requires 1/3 to 1/2 more steering wheel movement than stock IFS. Other people who I have talked to who have gone from IFS to solid have said the same things. People who have gone from double-arm to hy-steer have also said the same thing.

I'm not trying to argue if it's good or bad, it's just a fact.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by rockota:
<strong>Lock to lock is steering-box-based. Has nothing to do with draglink/tierod setup, so it will always be the same # of turns.

IFS to SAS w/ Hysteer = slower steering = more steering wheel movement to turn same distance. Period. That's just the way it is. It's not a big deal, just a fact of life.

I'd estimate, based on non-scientific "seat of the pants" test that Allpro's hysteer requires 1/3 to 1/2 more steering wheel movement than stock IFS. Other people who I have talked to who have gone from IFS to solid have said the same things. People who have gone from double-arm to hy-steer have also said the same thing.

I'm not trying to argue if it's good or bad, it's just a fact.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Thanks, I was just trying to find out what you were comparing speed to, not trying to argue or say good or bad about that. You are comparing IFS->SAS w/ HySteer. I was comparing factory solid axle to HySteer, for which I found no difference. As the original poster was asking about converting from factory solid axle steering to crossover, he'll likely notice no change in steering speed. At least I didn't. Point taken that crossover steering on a SAS truck is slower responding than the original IFS steering. What you lose in speed, you gain in leverage to help turn larger tires, which is probably one of the reasons that the SAS was done in the first place.

The way the AP setups I've had are configured, they steered the wheels from steering stop to steering stop with the box turning from lock to lock. The factory setup was the same, stop to stop = lock to lock. Same # of turns of the steering wheel.

Most of the guys running hi-steer are running a lot more spring lift than I am (I have 2.5" OMEs), but here's my take:

My truck drives about the same with hi-steer as it did with the stock push-pull setup. It still pulls when I brake (probably a brake problem) and it still is rather vague. I think my vagueness comes from the well worn IFS steering box I used. I might spring for a new or rebuilt one at some point.

I had severe (scary) bumpsteer with my highsteer until I reduced the draglink angle (viewed from the front of the truck, relative to the ground). Thanks for your help on this Roger.

All in all, especially with 5" springs and 35s, I think high steer is well worth it. For 2.5" springs, I think I might have been better off staying stock until I broke something. I get the same flex/compression in the front as I did before going hi-steer.

If any of you have gone crossover with short springs, do your experiences parallel mine?

Allan

who has the least expensive or good sale going on right now with the cross over set up?