I have an 85 pick up and plan to install a 5" suspension lift to run 35s. For those of you who have gone to hi-steer, what can I expect in terms of driveability? My wheeling is limited to moderate stuff, nothing extreme. I need to keep the truck streetable and capable of hauling stuff. Many thanks.

would drive better than stock.

And not veer to one side when you brake. And not break off the J-arm after a while.

And slower steering...
And a lighter feel...
And slower steering... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

It may take some getting used to, but you'll be happy you did it. Check out Sky's new kits -very nice.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by rockota:
<strong>And slower steering...
And a lighter feel...
And slower steering... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

It may take some getting used to, but you'll be happy you did it. Check out Sky's new kits -very nice.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">I found no difference in speed from stock push pull to crossover, HySteer in and of itself makes no difference, I've had both over/under and HySteer setups. Perhaps there is a speed difference between stock IFS and SAS crossover, but between stock push pull and crossover, nada. Same length pitman and steering arms.

There was a HUGE improvement in steering response though, I found the stock steering was great at stock height, but once lifted it was horrible. Crossover was rock solid, very little slop and a whole lot stronger.

Crossover Steering info

<small>[ March 04, 2003, 11:34 AM: Message edited by: 4Crawler ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by 4Crawler:
<strong>I found no difference in speed from stock push pull to crossover, HySteer in and of itself makes no difference, I've had both over/under and HySteer setups. Perhaps there is a speed difference between stock IFS and SAS crossover, but between stock push pull and crossover, nada. Same length pitman and steering arms.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">I've run AllPro's hy-steer and standar with the Aqualu double arm. AllPro's, by design, will be much "slower". Aqualu's arm puts the draglink mount behind the tie-rod mount, while AllPro's puts the draglink well in front of the tie-rod. Simple Geometry differences account for the "ratio" differences - the steering/pitman arms are not the same length on both styles...

Not saying a person won't get used to it or that's it's bad... It's just slower.

Put your lift on, drive it.
then put your HySteer on and drive it.
I guarantee you will sing the praise of Hysteer.

I run Marlin's kit on all mine and love it. Not only is it a good off road modification, its also a great Safety mod in general.

no more bump steer, no radical pull to the left or right when braking... no funky drag link angle, no front torque rod needed (which is a hassle any how with all the lift you are planning).

have fun...

Tony in Healdsburg

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by rockota:
<strong>I've run AllPro's hy-steer and standar with the Aqualu double arm. AllPro's, by design, will be much "slower". Aqualu's arm puts the draglink mount behind the tie-rod mount, while AllPro's puts the draglink well in front of the tie-rod. Simple Geometry differences account for the "ratio" differences - the steering/pitman arms are not the same length on both styles...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Slower compared to what? All my standard and high steer setups had the same # of turns lock to lock as the stock '85 steering (to which I've made may comparisons to). I've run the AP double arm steering and the drag link connected to same point as the tie rod. In the HySteer arm, the tie rod is moved back towards the axle, but the drag link still attached at the same point, relative to the knuckle. Perhaps its slower than the IFS steering, I've never driven an IFS truck, so don't know how that compares.

When I first got my D60 axle with over/under crossover, it was slower than stock, since the low mounted tie rod was necessarily moved forward to clear the pumpkin and that forced the drag link attachment point forward, coupled with the same pitman arm led to a slower steering rate. I've since corrected that.

Standard to HySteer conversion

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by rockota:
<strong>And slower steering...
And a lighter feel...
And slower steering... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

It may take some getting used to, but you'll be happy you did it. Check out Sky's new kits -very nice.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Mine is slower now, only due to a shorter pitman than stock. I agree, you get used to it and its actually quite nice (light feel, more leverage). YMMV.

I see Sky added Ackerman angle to their arms. Prior to that I would have not recommended them, but with that addition... hmmm, same price as Allpro. But they are billet, so that's an improvement if the grain runs the right way.

This is not too far afield of crossover steering,... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
But I notice Sky has a wide axle kit that puts the spacers behind the IFS hubs on a SA, like FRORF, only for about $100 less. Any idea how the rotor is attached to the hub? They don't answer the phone.

I would hope long lugs are used; that is a lot of force to transmit without them. Looks very interesting, should be stronger than an adapter and give less 'gas' at tire shops that freak out over adapters and such.

<small>[ March 04, 2003, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Bill_Morgan ]</small>