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Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: wd8cdh] #480729 10/21/04 09:01 PM
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maraguez Offline
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For what I hear from our friend in Korea, if I take the whole thing from a rear differential, I should be able to insert it into the front differential housing and that the shafts should slide right in, at least, that's what I understand. I think he said he did it with his '96 Kia, but I may be wrong. I wish I had the investing money to try it, but my wife is getting a new Nissan and that puts me in a bind.


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Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: maraguez] #480730 10/21/04 09:17 PM
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wd8cdh Offline OP
Mudrunner
Actually, he is in Thialand. You would probably do the same thing as I am doing with the Miata Torsen LSD. Just swap the ring gear, put it in and adjust it. You might be able to swap the whole 3rd member but I am not sure about the bolt pattern, mounting holes or driveshaft flange.

If everything is true, you could also use either the Eaton, the Miata Torsen, the RX-7 Clutch LSD or the RX-7 Viscous LSD in either the front or rear of a 93-97 Sportage or front only of 98 and newer sportages.


Ron Schroeder
Long Island NY
99 4DR auto Sportage, 30x950R15 tires, 3/4" strut spacer, rear air springs, Manual Hubs, FRONT Torsen LSD
00 Safari AWD, 2" lift, 30x9.50 tires, 4x4 conversion in progress
73 Pinzgauer Swiss Army troop carrier
Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: logansportage] #480731 10/21/04 09:45 PM
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wd8cdh Offline OP
Mudrunner
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1. Did KIA change the front differential to be the same as the 28 spline rear in the 1998 - 2003 models or did they keep the 26 spline differential from the 1995 - 1997 models?

If they did, ARB only needs to make 2 lockers. One for 1995 - 1997 and one for 1998 - 2003.

If not, ARB still only needs to make 2 lockers. Those of us with 1998 - 2003 models will just have to use a 1995 - 1997 model locker in the front.

2. How well does the Eaton LSD operate in reverse?
Any complications to operating it this way?

Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


1. The 99 uses the same 26 spline front diff as the 96. It looks even more like ARB only needs to make one locker housing, just 2 types of side gears, 26 spline and 28 spline.

2. It shouldn't really matter the direction of rotation but both front and rear turn the same way anyway since the ring gear is fliped.

By the way, the 99 rear uses the same bearings as the 96 front.


It's looking more and more like Kia did almost the same thing as GM did with their 7 1/2" diffs and their 7 5/8" diffs.


Ron Schroeder
Long Island NY
99 4DR auto Sportage, 30x950R15 tires, 3/4" strut spacer, rear air springs, Manual Hubs, FRONT Torsen LSD
00 Safari AWD, 2" lift, 30x9.50 tires, 4x4 conversion in progress
73 Pinzgauer Swiss Army troop carrier
Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: wd8cdh] #480732 10/21/04 11:47 PM
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logansportage Offline
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Now that I think about it you're right. ARB will only need to make one locker, but 2 different types of side gears.

One for the 26 spline that may be the same as one already in their parts list, and one for the 28 that also may already be in their parts list.

The only part needing to be fabricated is the differential housing. Most of the dimensions they will need for this I posted earlier today in one of the other threads.

Sounds like we are back in the world of owning a KIA Sportage. We end up doing our work and someone elseÆs too. We should have figured this out already. When we go to a parts store, we tell the DORK behind the counter what part number we need instead of telling him Make, Model, and Year.

I'll bet ya KIA did the same thing ARB is going to have to do. They went to a greater number of splines, but didn't change the axle shaft diameter. This only required them to change the side gears and nothing else. This would explain why the bearings are the same.

Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


White 1998 4 door KIA Sportage 4x4 w/Eibach 2.5 spring lift and TJ rear coils, 4crawler 1.5 body lift, Monroe Sensa.trac shocks, Bosch 4+ plugs, Eaton LSD, 31x10.5x15 BFG KM tires, 2.5 cat back exhaust w/SpinTech muffler
Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: logansportage] #480733 10/22/04 12:00 AM
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logansportage Offline
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Thinking out side the box again <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />, but....

Gary,

What if we could get the side gears from the two different differentials we are talking about and send them to ARB to use for this air locker we are talking about?

Then they wouldn't have to spend all that money for tooling! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Then possibly they could match up the differential housing to one in their parts list and SHAZAM!!!! ARB AIR LOCKER FRONT AND REAR FOR ME!!!!!

I'll even send them my rear differential if it would help get me a free locker.

Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


White 1998 4 door KIA Sportage 4x4 w/Eibach 2.5 spring lift and TJ rear coils, 4crawler 1.5 body lift, Monroe Sensa.trac shocks, Bosch 4+ plugs, Eaton LSD, 31x10.5x15 BFG KM tires, 2.5 cat back exhaust w/SpinTech muffler
Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: logansportage] #480734 10/22/04 12:21 AM
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Looking on with interest <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

From the other thread it would appear that the rear axle grew from about 27 mm to 29.845 mm. Once again, the big money is in the tooling for the side gears. They need to be specially machined as one of them has a spline machined onto the back of it to engage with the hemisphere via the diff locking actuator. (can't just send them ours <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />)

It is never going to be that simple...........

I will be in contact with the Mitsu guys over here about their 28 spline and also liase with ARB.


2002 Sporty , Ironman 2.5" spring, 2" body, 15 x 7 ROH wheels, K&N, 15 x 10.5 Simex Centipedes, Powerchip 91.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience!"
Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: logansportage] #480735 10/22/04 12:37 AM
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wd8cdh Offline OP
Mudrunner
Hi Logansportage,

Do you have any rear axle shafts that you can measure?


Ron Schroeder
Long Island NY
99 4DR auto Sportage, 30x950R15 tires, 3/4" strut spacer, rear air springs, Manual Hubs, FRONT Torsen LSD
00 Safari AWD, 2" lift, 30x9.50 tires, 4x4 conversion in progress
73 Pinzgauer Swiss Army troop carrier
Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: wd8cdh] #480736 10/22/04 01:08 AM
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logansportage Offline
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Just updated my last post on the other thread with some of the additional info Gary asked for. Will be adding the axle diameter and spline length later.

Going to have to pull one of my rear axles first.

Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


White 1998 4 door KIA Sportage 4x4 w/Eibach 2.5 spring lift and TJ rear coils, 4crawler 1.5 body lift, Monroe Sensa.trac shocks, Bosch 4+ plugs, Eaton LSD, 31x10.5x15 BFG KM tires, 2.5 cat back exhaust w/SpinTech muffler
Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: wd8cdh] #480737 10/22/04 01:12 AM
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MorganEstill Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Holy cow!! I don't check this thread for one day and you guys go ahead and discover something amazing!! This is great!!

I'm really liking the sound of a limited slip differential up front and an ARB in the rear. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Can't wait for ARB's response to all this.

Oh yeah, Yuenngong - Welcome and thank you very much for this information!!! (We Americans are a bit slow on these things... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />)


'97 Sportage, 4" Lift 1" BL, 31" BAJA CLAWS, Rallye 4000s, Line-Xed Hood, Grille, K&N, 2.25" Exhaust, RS9000s, GPS...

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Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress) [Re: DamKia] #480738 10/22/04 01:17 AM
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wd8cdh Offline OP
Mudrunner
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Looking on with interest <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

From the other thread it would appear that the rear axle grew from about 27 mm to 29.845 mm


Hi Gary,

We know that the axle splines can be no bigger than 29.845mm but from looking quickly at a Sporty rear diff, I saw that the clearance hole in i.d. of the bearing journals was somewhat larger than the splines. The splines are probably closer to 29mm as solomiata reported that the RX7 turbo splines were. I would really like to know what diff those figures really came from since it looks like the RX-7 Turbo diff is actually 30 splines.


Ron Schroeder
Long Island NY
99 4DR auto Sportage, 30x950R15 tires, 3/4" strut spacer, rear air springs, Manual Hubs, FRONT Torsen LSD
00 Safari AWD, 2" lift, 30x9.50 tires, 4x4 conversion in progress
73 Pinzgauer Swiss Army troop carrier
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