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 Re: Rear diff in front
[Re: maraguez]
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10/25/04 08:33 PM
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uh, 10 am, whataburger at 410 and ingram rd, i think the same place we met last time. 10 am is earlier than you said, so take that into account.
ron, the holes are evenly spaced on both carriers. i'll get a measurement for the difference tonight. also, will send your LSD tomorrow- didn't get to it this weekend. like the link- didn't know such a thing had been done before- maybe it IS the way to go.
95 Sportage w/welded and 5.89 geared dana 44's on 38.5" TSL's.- SADLY SOLD CURRENTLY - 2000 sportage, 5.38 gears, welded diffs, 35" tires, 5.5" lift http://www.cardomain.com/ride/341410
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Re: Rear diff in front
[Re: Dave Scott]
#480770
10/25/04 09:08 PM
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Joined: Apr 2002
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I got your number and I have directions. I'll call you before I arrive. I need to see your truck, must look awesome.
1985 Toyota 4x4 4Runner. 1989 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4.
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Re: Rear diff in front
[Re: Dave Scott]
#480771
10/26/04 12:21 AM
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Joined: Feb 2003
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I am tending to think that the 7" + spacer option may be better (read "more marketable") for ARB and also cheaper, given that we do not have to source a new 7.5" R&P, just slide on a spacer. This greatly simplifies things from their end, but in either case there will still have to be alterations to either the rear diff (28 spline) or rear axles (new/second hand 26 spline, or turned and resplined 28's). This could present a problem in parts of the world where the 26 spline rear was not available. ARB *might* have the tooling to respline the 28's, but this would add to the cost. A thought("tangent"). Would it be possible to use the front 3rd member in the rear and use the spare mounting attatchment (in Daves photos) to attatch an A-frame to? Thinking out aloud in writing after 6 night duties, so ignore if irrelevant <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
2002 Sporty , Ironman 2.5" spring, 2" body, 15 x 7 ROH wheels, K&N, 15 x 10.5 Simex Centipedes, Powerchip 91.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience!"
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Re: Rear diff in front /Front diff in rear
[Re: DamKia]
#480772
10/26/04 01:56 AM
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Joined: Sep 2003
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Hi Gary,
Yes, a 7" locker with dual bolt patterns for both 7" ring gears and 7.5" ring gears with a spacer ring would be best, especially if it was available in either 26 or 28 spline side gears. That would allow use in the front or rear and even the option of 7.5" in the front with a rear 3rd member housing (or with a front housing and a 7.5" pinion if we find that that would fit).
I really think the most practical combination would be an ARB in the rear with the origional 7.5" ring gear (and a spacer ring) and either a '94+ Miata LSD or a '84+ RX7 non-turbo LSD in the front with the origional 7" ring gear. The Miata or RX7 LSD's are more common than the 26 spline Sportage LSD's and don't need a rear 3rd member housing added to the front. The rear ARB could still be used in the front but I think more people would trust the reliability of the drivetrain (especially the CV joints) more with a LSD instead of a locker in the front.
Ron Schroeder
Long Island NY
99 4DR auto Sportage, 30x950R15 tires, 3/4" strut spacer, rear air springs, Manual Hubs, FRONT Torsen LSD
00 Safari AWD, 2" lift, 30x9.50 tires, 4x4 conversion in progress
73 Pinzgauer Swiss Army troop carrier
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 Re: Rear diff in front /Front diff in rear
[Re: wd8cdh]
#480773
10/26/04 02:57 AM
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Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,062
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Hi Gary,
Yes, a 7" locker with dual bolt patterns for both 7" ring gears and 7.5" ring gears with a spacer ring would be best, especially if it was available in either 26 or 28 spline side gears. That would allow use in the front or rear and even the option of 7.5" in the front with a rear 3rd member housing (or with a front housing and a 7.5" pinion if we find that that would fit).
I really think the most practical combination would be an ARB in the rear with the origional 7.5" ring gear (and a spacer ring) and either a '94+ Miata LSD or a '84+ RX7 non-turbo LSD in the front with the origional 7" ring gear. The Miata or RX7 LSD's are more common than the 26 spline Sportage LSD's and don't need a rear 3rd member housing added to the front. The rear ARB could still be used in the front but I think more people would trust the reliability of the drivetrain (especially the CV joints) more with a LSD instead of a locker in the front. Couldn't have said it better myself. I would be more inclined to have an ARB in the rear and a limited slip up front. That way we've got best of both worlds. (sort of...) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
'97 Sportage, 4" Lift 1" BL, 31" BAJA CLAWS, Rallye 4000s, Line-Xed Hood, Grille, K&N, 2.25" Exhaust, RS9000s, GPS...  "What is IFS and where can I get some??" (outerlimits4x4.com)
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Re: Rear diff in front /Front diff in rear
[Re: MorganEstill]
#480774
10/26/04 01:10 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,527
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Hi Gary,
Yes, a 7" locker with dual bolt patterns for both 7" ring gears and 7.5" ring gears with a spacer ring would be best, especially if it was available in either 26 or 28 spline side gears. That would allow use in the front or rear and even the option of 7.5" in the front with a rear 3rd member housing (or with a front housing and a 7.5" pinion if we find that that would fit).
I really think the most practical combination would be an ARB in the rear with the origional 7.5" ring gear (and a spacer ring) and either a '94+ Miata LSD or a '84+ RX7 non-turbo LSD in the front with the origional 7" ring gear. The Miata or RX7 LSD's are more common than the 26 spline Sportage LSD's and don't need a rear 3rd member housing added to the front. The rear ARB could still be used in the front but I think more people would trust the reliability of the drivetrain (especially the CV joints) more with a LSD instead of a locker in the front. Couldn't have said it better myself. I would be more inclined to have an ARB in the rear and a limited slip up front. That way we've got best of both worlds. (sort of...) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> now we're talkin' i like this idea. personally, i know the front CV's can't handle a huge difference in torque. i know that most people can't ALWAYS be paying attention to how much strain they are putting on the front drivetrain. if the front end is locked, it WILL blow CV's. now maybe we can do a front end CV upgrade, but until we figure out what might fit, i think an LSD up front is the better choice here, with a locker out back- and the good thing is- once i find out about the pinion gears- IF you still want a full locker up front, you can always do it using the stronger 7.5" stuff in the front housing (depending on what i find out about the pinions) or a full rear 3rd member with a bracket for the axlewrap mount.
95 Sportage w/welded and 5.89 geared dana 44's on 38.5" TSL's.- SADLY SOLD CURRENTLY - 2000 sportage, 5.38 gears, welded diffs, 35" tires, 5.5" lift http://www.cardomain.com/ride/341410
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Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress)
[Re: wd8cdh]
#480775
10/26/04 05:55 PM
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Anonymous
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Latest from Thailand: Hi, Do you want Front Limited slip Deifferentail ? If you want Front Limited slip Deifferentail , you can use Rear Limited slip Deifferentail for Front (is same specification). for more information http://www.weekendhobby.com/offroad/kia/Question.asp?ID=1828Prakarn f. It seems that they made it!
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Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress)
#480776
10/26/04 06:05 PM
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Anonymous
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By the way, this may seem a bit offtopic, but it's related to LSD... Considering that it seems that most of the European Sportages comes with the LSD I wonder if our European friends could try to look for wrecked sportys in junk yards that we could save the LSD. Shipping it to the US and to me in Brazil would be a second step to be tought... I guess that we have Fokion in Greece and there was another pal in Portugal. Someone in the UK? That applies to Sportages in Australia, right GaryinOz?
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Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress)
#480777
10/26/04 06:13 PM
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 966
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Yeah! They could make some money and we could save some, too. Win/win situation. I think it's $11.00 to ship from Korea, at least, that's what I paid for my rear LSD from Eaton which came from Korea.
1985 Toyota 4x4 4Runner. 1989 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4.
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Re: Front Limited Slip- (Progress)
[Re: maraguez]
#480778
10/26/04 11:47 PM
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Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 348
Mudrunner
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get them to ship the limited slip and the 5.38 gear..
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