Thanks again,the next time I'm in the wrenching mood [jeep is not my main ride]I'll do the remanufactured calipers that come completely assembled with pads.I actually did just that and rotors on my daily work horse '93 Dakota v8 4wd now theres a truck thats gone thru a set of pads every year and this would be the second rotor change I've made.I hear you Jim about the pad hardness issue,I do use the cheap ones on the truck, after having used the 'premium' kind which I'm sure were too hard and helped to wear out rotors.Well lots of practice changing these things out,can get this done in a couple hours after work and yes it is pretty cheap. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />