</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by elripster:
<strong>How do you get the feeling the 22's are best fo the task? I browse these boards an there is post after post of these things having problem after problem. They have less torque, something trucks need badly. I don't know, to each their own but just doesn't make sense to me to promote a motor that blows up at 150K, is grosly underpowered, but at least is easy to fix. Which is good becauce clearly fix it you will. I mean this guy, Edstoy, is looking to take the RTE out of his truck because it has so many problems. And people even bother to question whether 3.0 can take it as opposed to a 4 banger????? (getting back to the original post) I just don't get it.
This is the 4wheeling off roading board. You don't find 300,000 mile 22 anythings on here that have haven't been warmed over twice or more. If you go to ORC, or Pirate, no difference. But, I'm done for now. Much if this stuff is personal preference and often it's easier to try to get more out of you hamsters than put in bigger stronger hamsters. Maybe some of thise info will paint a good picture to anyone who's not sure which to choose.
Frank.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">I was going to let the argument die, but now I gotta say something... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
The 22R/22RE does NOT regularly blow up at 150K miles for crying out loud. The vast majority of 22R/22RE owners out there now have over 150K miles and that's without major repairs and certainly not a rebuilt.
As with even the best motors, there are going to be some that get blown up due to major owner neglect or abuse. But with moderate maintainence and reasonable driving, the 22R/22RE will easily reach 300K to 400K miles without any major repair, except the timing chain.
The timing chain was not a defective part like the headgasket issue with the 3.0 V-6, because it doesn't fail right out of the box. It rather is a poorly designed system that doesn't last the life of the engine, due to plastic timing guides being added along with a single chain, instead of the dual chain/metal guide older design. But a worn timing chain usually gives you many thousands of miles of notice and once repaired, you are good to go. The only reason this is even an issue on the Toyota motors, is because they last so darn many miles. Most other manufacture's motors would have died at about the same time the chain wore out.
You keep referring back to the fact that you see all these problems and repairs needed on the 22R/22RE. What part of the fact that there are far more of these engines out there than 3.0 V-6s do you not get? Toyota only built the 3.0 V-6 for 7 years while the 20R/22R/22RE/22RT-E have been around for 17 years here in the U.S. and over 19 years overseas. Even during those 7 years of 3.0 V-6 production, over half of the motors sold were still 22REs. Obviously, with more R series engines out there, there are going to be a greater number of problems or people with questions. Is someone from the Chevy or Ford board suppose to come over to our board and come to the conclusion that all Toyotas must suck because we are always having repair problems or questions. Of course not!
In regards to the turbo 22RT-E, I don't know much about them, but Toyota probably rushed that design to production just like they did the 3.0 V-6. Remember the RTE was suppose to be the interum before the V-6 came out. The turbo Toyota selected apparently sucks, and to keep a turbo healthy, you have to idle down for at least a few minutes before shutting off the engine, something very, very few owners do on a regular basis. So, ya, I can see why people might have problems with them.
As for being underpowered, this is true. I can't out accelerate a Corvette. But even approaching maximum gross weight, I can still travel down the highway at legal speeds and I can accelerate onto a freeway onramp. That's all that matters. If I want to be speed racer, I'd go buy a sport's car. If I have to keep it in the slow lane going up hills, that's just the price I pay. There is nothing wrong with having a slow lifted truck with tall tires. At least I have a lesser chance of getting myself killed in my high center of gravity, poor handling truck, since it is slower. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
As for off road, I've never run into a situation, where engine power was needed that gears didn't make all the difference in the world, except one...sand. But I don't run in sand, very often, so I don't really care.
And finally, ask yourself this one question. Why do we almost never see anyone transplanting a 3.0 V-6 in place of the 22RE? Wouldn't it nearly be a direct bolt in, including wiring harness, except transmission? It's because noone wants to go to the hassel only find they once again blew a headgasket. Also, the marginal power increase is not worth the the signficant decrease in fuel mileage.
Now, a 3RZ, that would be a great motor swap. Equal power and torque to the 3.0, but much better mileage and better reliability.
There is one advantage to having a 3.0 V-6. When it finally dies from headgasket failure, you'll have a much easier time swapping in the 3.4 V-6 than I would. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
<small>[ June 21, 2003, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Brian894X4 ]</small>
