hmm..thanks. I think? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> You can tell I wasn't really concerned about rock crawling with the design. It's stout, removable, and fits pretty tight to the grill. Did I say it was stout? <img border="0" alt="[Shiner]" title="" src="graemlins/shiner.gif" /> Approach angle isn't too bad by my standards.