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Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: FrankR] #513834 10/18/04 06:25 AM
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socalmonty Offline
Rock Warrior
Hey Frank...

I just noticed RPW sells V6 headers for the SOHC 12v 6G72 in the Diamante, etc. I wonder if they are routed the same way?


Sean - Orange County, CA
MAIL: seanwilliams78@gmail.com
1995 Montero SR - For exploring and getting away!
1994 Volvo 850 Turbo - 402hp and counting!
1966 VW Bug 2275cc - For stoplight drags!
Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: socalmonty] #513835 10/18/04 01:18 PM
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FrankR Offline
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I don't know if they'll work or not.

Frank


'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: FrankR] #513836 10/18/04 05:50 PM
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socalmonty Offline
Rock Warrior
My dad is in AUS right now...I'm gonna have him check out RPW for me. hehe. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


Sean - Orange County, CA
MAIL: seanwilliams78@gmail.com
1995 Montero SR - For exploring and getting away!
1994 Volvo 850 Turbo - 402hp and counting!
1966 VW Bug 2275cc - For stoplight drags!
Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: socalmonty] #513837 10/18/04 09:26 PM
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Big Blue Offline
Roll Me Over
Frank/Kevin:
The spec's dropped in '96' as Chevrolet moved into a new injection style that has been since proven to not work as well as the eariler CPI motors. Chevrolet also downsized the exhaust on the later models. ADD in OBD-2 and there's the difference.
The spec's listed for the 4.3's are in the S-10 type chassis. The same '94' CPI motors made 200hp/265ft.lbs in the Astro, and full size trucks, and the Bravada, and of course the S-10 SS. This was due to larger/different Y-pipe and a few other smaller changes. I honestly can't see a difference on anything that the bravada had and the difference in power could be just an advertising game to sell the rig over the Blazer.
Small differences yes, but they did make a difference.
Kary


1987 Mitsubishi Pajero "Modified"
The other original Mitsu brother
Northwest Trailmaster
Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: Big Blue] #513838 10/19/04 12:06 AM
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FrankR Offline
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Thanks Kary.

Frank


'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: triplediamonds] #513839 10/19/04 05:56 PM
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wglobnik Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I've been doing some research, and after reading a lot of stuff from the guys i OZ, ( RPW ) I had gotten the impression that the best thing to do to the 3.0 V-6 was to let it breathe a bit better.
There is a guy in Maryland, just out of D.C., that handles a lot of goodies from RPW and he said that RPW sells a stage 1 engine that has a slightly better cam....exactly what Lift & duration it is I've no idea.
He also said that there are some well known casting flaws in the heads & intake and a stage 1 port & polish, combined with the cams, headers and 3" exhaust would do wonders without sacrificing any MPG.
I have no clue really, but thought I'd pass it along. One thing I can tell you is that I sent out some feelers and the only one that replied was Steve Crower,,,Crower cams. He said he could do a stage 1 regring for $85 per cam. That was two years ago, but as I said, I'm just passing it on.

Bill

Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: wglobnik] #513840 10/19/04 06:28 PM
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FrankR Offline
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When I had my engine apart, I examined the head and intake ports to see if I wanted to do any port matching. I found them to be reasonably well matched one to the other as measure by eye against the gasket as a reference. Definitely not perfect, but imo not worth the extra work. I did find the exhaust manifolds to be mismatched and spent the time doing a port matching grind and polish using first a die grinder followed by a dremel tool. While doing that, I also over-cut the exhaust manifold ports to give them a little anti-reversion step - hopefully to give a slight torque boost, but primarily to make the engine smoother.

Certainly an exact port match will give an improvement, but without forced induction, I'm not certain how much of a worthwhile improvement can be gained relative to the effort and/or expense.

Headers might help (as noted by misterbishi), and in looking at the OE exhaust manifolds compared to what's on the Dianante/Stealth/3000GT, the potential looks more desirable for headers.

I'd be leery of changing the cam profile to longer duration until someone proved it worthwhile. Often, longer duration is the wrong way to go. Usually higher lift is what helps breathing, but it does vary with different engines and the learning curve can be very expensive. Many cams I've seen that give higher lift also increase duration and on some if you try to grind too much lift without extra duration you get more of a hammer/float action to the valve train which can cause a lot of damage over time.

What makes sense to me is to note what development changes Mitsu found to be best as they moved the 3.0L into higher torque/HP. They changed to 24 valve heads, but the torque peak changed. I don't know if low end was penalized or if it remained the same at 2500 rpms and kept building to 4000rpms. If anyone has the curve printouts it would be interesting to see them, because it might indicate that the later heads would provide a real highway driveability improvement.

To make more power, the next step was the DOHC change, which moved the torque back lower. The final step was forced induction. I think they've provided the clues to the upgrade path as they found it to be best.

Frank


'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
Re: v6 headers? And maf upgrade [Re: triplediamonds] #513841 10/19/04 07:16 PM
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wglobnik Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Just an FYI.....www.rpw.com.au/

Bill

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