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Re: OME coils/shocks and Calmini control arms [Re: Smiley] #524267 11/17/04 06:34 PM
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Chris Perosi Offline
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OK, no offence, Chrisà But I think my head is about to explode!


Right... That's why I tried to define the terms first. Let me see if I can clarify...

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Well, let's define a few things so we don't get confused. What we're going to call the "upper bumpstop" is the snubber which limits uptravel, which, in this case, resides between the upper and lower a-arms and stops the upward travel of the lower a-arm. The "lower droop stop" resides above the upper bumpstop but controls the lowest point the lower a-arm can reach.


So far you follow most of that it seems -- however, your confusion lies in your next statement:

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The LOWER bump stop resides on a pad that is connected to the frame, and sits above the top side of the lower A-arm. [Check]

The UPPER bump stop (* on all of those vehicles that have one) is mounted to the under-side of the upper A-arm. [Check]


You got that part right, but your definitions don't match mine. What I'm calling the "upper" bumpstop limits UPtravel, and what I'm calling the "lower" snubber limits DOWNtravel. Don't be confused by their physical locations and the fact that the "upper" actually lives below the "lower". You can call them whatever you want as long as we all understand what we're talking about -- hence taking the time to define them. So you got what I was saying, except missed that part where I defined them by what travel they limit as opposed to their physical location.

So by my definition, this statememt is wrong:

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The A-arms move together in an up-and-down manorà and as such, when they travel UPWARD, it is the LOWER A-arm that makes contact with the LOWER bump stop --- and conversely, when traveling DOWNWARD, the UPPER bump stop (the one thatÆs mounted on the underside of the upper A-arm) compresses against a tab thatÆs connected to the frame, located between the two A-arms.


It's mostly right on, except by my definitions, this is a true statement with two words switched, Upper and Lower, thereby creating a good misleading true-false statement on an exam. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

In other words, everything you said is right by the definitions in your head -- but if you go by the definitions I gave (where the travel is limited, not where the stop actually resides) then you'd have to switch your wording. Dizzying, I know... But as long as we can talk about it on the same page (or even on different pages, noting the differences in our definitions) we'll be OK...

-Chris


Chris Perosi
Isuzu Editor Emeritus
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Re: OME coils/shocks and Calmini control arms [Re: Smiley] #524268 11/17/04 06:40 PM
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matthew Offline
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chris slid in there before i could finish typing the word "correct"

way to over-complicate this <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

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Re: OME coils/shocks and Calmini control arms [Re: matthew] #524269 11/17/04 06:53 PM
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Chris Perosi Offline
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way to over-complicate this <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />


Come'on, Matt, when have you known me to do anything BUT overcomplicate things? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

-Chris

Re: OME coils/shocks and Calmini control arms [Re: Chris Perosi] #524270 11/17/04 08:29 PM
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Smiley Offline
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I'm betting that you started typing before I added THIS:

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[EDIT]

OK, I just re-read everything for a 4th and 5th time, and I think I finally get it now.

But for my own sense of (whatever?), I believe I will continue to call the ones on top the 'uppers', and the ones on the bottom the 'lowers' --- If I don't, I'll never be able to keep`em straight!

[/EDIT]


After hanging a 2-liter of Diet Mountain Dew on an IV drip, I finally caught on! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />




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Come'on, Matt, when have you known me to do anything BUT overcomplicate things? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

DITTO! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />


Cheers! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Smiley


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Re: OME coils/shocks and Calmini control arms [Re: Smiley] #524271 11/17/04 08:47 PM
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Chris Perosi Offline
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Yeah, it wasn't til I was previewing my own post that I saw your edit, but by then it all made it ultra-clear, so I figured it was OK. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

And right on, Smiley, between the two of us, we're a serious threat to to sanity of this board. Or at least to anyone who still has an old dial-up connection on a slow modem....

-Chris


Chris Perosi
Isuzu Editor Emeritus
OutdoorWire, Inc.
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