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 Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: pplotz]
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12/03/04 08:04 PM
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I had already spoken to them regarding a group buy on the 10 bolt. It would take a batch of 25 to get a run made. I feel like it would be a lot of work to get that going. Have to have financial commitment up front from alot of folks. That being said, if we went to Torque master with the same offer, they were already considering designing one for us earlier this year. I think ICURUNNIN and I were mostly getting a feel for the commuinity here and see if enough folks are interested and committed with funds to make the company realize we really do want a specific number of them. I was very clear to Michael at Powertrax that this was an initial contact to see what the requirements would be for this. He told me 25, and that the list price when it was available was $425. So this would be a $10,000 committment just to get the discontinued one ona a one off type run. He also told me that it would have to be run through a distributor, which I totally understand, but it could be a good deal for a dealer if we do it right and treat the dealer right. Matt or Joe might even front it for us if we treat them right. A $10,000 loss is not what either of them is looking for right now <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I want to get some lockage going, but we have to do it the right way just like everyone is saying. We are asking alot of a company for a market that is fairly specialized and not growing anymore. There are a fixed number of vehicles out there, and as big as we feel we are, Isuzu is a minority. Just my rambling ideas and opinions
1992 Isuzu Rodeo 2WD (some assembly required). "If it doesn't fit....Force it!! If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway."
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: Frisky]
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12/03/04 08:34 PM
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Joined: Jan 2004
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Well, that is one of the beauties of Paypal and credit cards, if not enough people come through, you get your money back.... I remember I was pretty ticked at Tera cause they ran my card without warning me, luckily it worked out ok, but I was still shocked to see $$ dissappear out of my account without warning.
Just a thought, but if matt or Joe were to set up a 'special' account.....
Peter
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: pplotz]
#533036
12/04/04 01:04 AM
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Joined: Jan 2000
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Body Damage is Cool
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i have spoken with Powertrax a number of times on this issue. I have a contact higher up than the "sales" level.
i was told that the 10 bolt "resurection" is totally possible if they see a dealer (me) put up the capitol to buy a "lot" ot them.........i'm not sure 25 was the discussed #....IIRC it was more.
i was told it could happen.................
like i posted in the "what parts do you want" thread, if you approach a manufacturer w/ a fist full of cash....they are pretty unlikely to tell you to get lost.
the 10 bolt locker is what i have discussed w/ them.............i did mention a 12 bolt "development" and was told they would entertain it if i thought there was a demand.
so basically i am saying.........I have no problem taking this on as a i have already started the ball rolling last spring.
i know this thread is on the "INVENTION of a 12 BOLT" drop in, but really my feeling is that the 10 bolt has to come 1st................or at least at the same time.
you guys let me know what i can do?
'93 RS 3.2L - DD/trail build '97 7.3L Powerstroke - tow rig '71 FJ40 - V-8, nv4500, atlas, D60, 14B - current build Owner: http://www.INDEPENDENT4x.comm-f 9am-6pm EST. 804-550-0480
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: matthew]
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12/04/04 01:28 AM
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Just my opinion, but I'd say you'll get a bunch more bites on a rear locker than a front. Most people do lock the rear first, then if they need more and want to deal with the steering issues drop the cash for the front.
I would really like to see a 12 bolt drop in.
A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
98 Passport 33's, Supercharged, Calmini Bumper, rockbars, diff drops, Teralows, 4.77's, Aussie and ARB lockers, Safari snorkel, Optima red top.
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: Bigpoppax2]
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12/04/04 02:23 AM
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Joined: Jun 2000
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I don't disagree, but the tooling is already in place for the 10-bolt locker...and it is a lot more feasible to get a run made of an existing design than an entirely new one.
Steve Carlson - 95 Trooper LS expo rig
Serenity now!
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: Frisky]
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12/04/04 05:42 AM
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Just from a logistical standpoint, the 10-bolt locker isn't really a good bet to keep in the running for Powertrax -- so it made a good bit of sense to discontinue. Here's why...
Most 10-bolt rear axles out there are like 15-20 years old at this point, and they live in trucks that don't flex as well and aren't nearly as modifiable as their newer brothers. Not knocking the early Troopers, of course, I had an 86 quite a few years back. But the truth is they just don't flex as well, there's not nearly as many parts available for them, and Isuzu did a very good job of improving on an already great platform. The newer trucks just got better. In the meantime, the older trucks just got rustier. You show me an older Trooper with a 10-bolt rear without any rust and I'll be amazed.
Now, the 10-bolt didn't just disappear, it just moved up front in most of the newer trucks. But that being said, even crazy people like me don't particularly care for non-selectable lockers up front, so that's why the ARB 10-bolt got more support than the Lock-Right, or at least that's why the ARB 10-bolt is a better idea anyway... And that's why PowerTrax pulled the plug on the 10-bolt Lock-Right. The practical applications of this locker just don't have a lot of places to go.
That being said, when Isuzu replaced the 10-bolt rear with the 12-bolt, they kept using it... Right up til now. That means instead of just 3 years worth of trucks that it will fit, (86, 87, 88 Troopers) it will fit like 15 years worth of trucks, and 2 different models at that. So it certainly makes a lot more sense for them to forget about ever going back to the 10-bolt unless demand required it. In the meantime they can start thinking about a demand that would actually bear some fruit for them -- the 12-bolt being the common theme in 15 years worth of trucks, that's something anyone can sell. That's a market worth targeting, probably a bigger market than would be applicable for many other lockers...
Now if someone can put it to PowerTrax like that.......
Too bad Tillman's gone, I liked him a lot, and he liked Isuzus....
-Chris
Chris Perosi
Isuzu Editor Emeritus
OutdoorWire, Inc.
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: Chris Perosi]
#533040
12/04/04 06:29 AM
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I'll buy one. Just need an open carrier.
BTW, I cross posted on planet isuzoo.
Mark-95Trooper,fr LockRight,rr LSD,5spd,TeraLow,Indy tierods&QD sways,CO2, RS9000Xs,OME912&2.5"spacers,1"BL,ARB w/Warn M8000,OBT rear bumper&sliders. Pics indy4x
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: Chris Perosi]
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12/04/04 06:34 AM
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I agree that the rear in an auto is the more in demand locker. I would rather have an auto or LSD in the rear and a selectable in the front.
Matt, if you are willing to be the point man, why don't we see what Powertrax will require to develop a locker for the 12 bolt. Then we can all work through you to get the finances together to push them forward. Again, we could also check with Torque Master and see what they would need to begin development as well.
Matt, you let us know what to do to support this, and we will do it. Let's get some new stuff developed for the Isuzu's!!!!
1992 Isuzu Rodeo 2WD (some assembly required). "If it doesn't fit....Force it!! If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway."
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: Chris Perosi]
#533042
12/04/04 01:21 PM
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Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 457
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Just from a logistical standpoint, the 10-bolt locker isn't really a good bet to keep in the running for Powertrax -- so it made a good bit of sense to discontinue. Here's why...
Most 10-bolt rear axles out there are like 15-20 years old at this point, and they live in trucks that don't flex as well and aren't nearly as modifiable as their newer brothers. Not knocking the early Troopers, of course, I had an 86 quite a few years back. But the truth is they just don't flex as well, there's not nearly as many parts available for them, and Isuzu did a very good job of improving on an already great platform. The newer trucks just got better. In the meantime, the older trucks just got rustier. You show me an older Trooper with a 10-bolt rear without any rust and I'll be amazed.
Now, the 10-bolt didn't just disappear, it just moved up front in most of the newer trucks. But that being said, even crazy people like me don't particularly care for non-selectable lockers up front, so that's why the ARB 10-bolt got more support than the Lock-Right, or at least that's why the ARB 10-bolt is a better idea anyway... And that's why PowerTrax pulled the plug on the 10-bolt Lock-Right. The practical applications of this locker just don't have a lot of places to go.
That being said, when Isuzu replaced the 10-bolt rear with the 12-bolt, they kept using it... Right up til now. That means instead of just 3 years worth of trucks that it will fit, (86, 87, 88 Troopers) it will fit like 15 years worth of trucks, and 2 different models at that. So it certainly makes a lot more sense for them to forget about ever going back to the 10-bolt unless demand required it. In the meantime they can start thinking about a demand that would actually bear some fruit for them -- the 12-bolt being the common theme in 15 years worth of trucks, that's something anyone can sell. That's a market worth targeting, probably a bigger market than would be applicable for many other lockers...
Now if someone can put it to PowerTrax like that.......
Too bad Tillman's gone, I liked him a lot, and he liked Isuzus....
-Chris very well put my man. I was pretty much on the same page in an earlier post when i said it would be better for sales for the rear as more people would want a rear and they are used from 89? +. I also agree with Frisky on letting Matt handle this so i am now handing this over to Matt. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> On a good note is is nice to see us pull together to get something done and not just talk about it. Matt If you could please talk with Powertrax on the development of the rear locker since that is what everone is pushing for. Also see how much they would want to start the R&D of the locker so we can start getting some funds together together to get this thing off the ground. Thanks again everyone for the support.
92 Galant VR4 #501/1k - Turbo, All Wheel Drive with 4 wheel steering - Money eatin toy
89 Isuzu I-Mark RS sings to 7800 RPM - Daily Driver
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Re: Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?
[Re: icu_runnin]
#533043
12/04/04 06:15 PM
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Joined: Mar 2001
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I'd be interested in a rear locker for my '99 Trooper, as I already have one for the front.
'99 Trooper, ARBs, 4.77s, ARB bullbar, Warn M8000 w/Amsteel, OME 912s w/2.5" spacers, Rancho 9000xs, K&N/Magnaflow, 33" Kumho MT's, Aisins, boulder bars, Indy 4X brake lines, diff drop, Flexalite
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