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Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: ForcedAir_Montero] #552210 02/09/05 11:37 PM
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I've built several trailers with torsion axles, and love them. They are just too easy. I know they also are available as stubs. Just mount one to each side. I don't know what wieghts they are avail in for that configuration, but it'd great for ground clearance. Otherwise, just add a beefy skid plate to slide over anything.


They've got those at that site as well. Cost for a trailer axle kit would be $489 (3500lb's kit which is the only one that can use a 6x5.5 bolt pattern wheels).


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Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: off-roader] #552211 02/10/05 02:39 AM
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I think that I'll just reuse the old springs on the chassis I find. They should be 1/2 ton and fairly long as opposed to normal trailer springs. Nice and flexible for off road but I think I'll need to add shocks or a sway bar for highway use. I know someone with 63" chebby springs on his trailer, I'll ask him and report back. That torsion axle is intriguing though...

I figure that I'll use a cantilever closing lid, split down the center with a "shelf" system below it to carry a piece of 1" plywood to pull up and make a tent floor. A small propane tank and a water tank need to be installed on this bad boy as well along with a shower / wash station on the outside. Over the fender tool boxes might be neat as well.

What would the ideal size be for a midsize SUV? I'm thinking something like 5' wide X 7' long on 33's with an articulating ball mount.

Mike

Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: azrain] #552212 02/10/05 03:03 AM
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Alot of the Aussie off road campers use a suspension along these lines - with a spring and shock for more travel:featherRide

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Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: bretwalda] #552213 02/10/05 03:51 AM
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I once had a truck bed redneck trailer with stock springs. I only mention this because when I got it the thing didn't have shocks. I always thought it didn't pull well but then my Dad added some shocks to it and that dramaticly improved its handling. Leaf trailers with shocks rock, but i don't think that would be best for an offroad trailer.

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Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: bretwalda] #552214 02/10/05 04:18 PM
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Alot of the Aussie off road campers use a suspension along these lines - with a spring and shock for more travel:featherRide

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LOL, did you see what they cost? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: off-roader] #552215 02/11/05 07:32 PM
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I've built several trailers with torsion axles, and love them. They are just too easy. I know they also are available as stubs. Just mount one to each side. I don't know what wieghts they are avail in for that configuration, but it'd great for ground clearance. Otherwise, just add a beefy skid plate to slide over anything.



They've got those at that site as well. Cost for a trailer axle kit would be $489 (3500lb's kit which is the only one that can use a 6x5.5 bolt pattern wheels).


<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> The last axle I bought was a custom 3500 lb'r and it only cost me $175! That was about four years ago, but still, that's a huge difference in price. I built a really nice pickup bed trailer for a demo for my bedliner business. The axle had to be a custom width, spindle drop, spindle angle, etc, dealie to fit in the fenderwells of the truck bed. It came out looking sweet. Looked like it had a 4" lift on it! I got lots of comments on that trailer, and many offers to buy it.
As for bolt pattern, you could easily get away with the adapters for a trailer <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> I like the idea of starting with a V6 gen 1 monty frame though!


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Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: ForcedAir_Montero] #552216 02/12/05 09:06 AM
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:8 <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> The last axle I bought was a custom 3500 lb'r and it only cost me $175! That was about four years ago, but still, that's a huge difference in price. I built a really nice pickup bed trailer for a demo for my bedliner business. The axle had to be a custom width, spindle drop, spindle angle, etc, dealie to fit in the fenderwells of the truck bed. It came out looking sweet. Looked like it had a 4" lift on it! I got lots of comments on that trailer, and many offers to buy it.
As for bolt pattern, you could easily get away with the adapters for a trailer <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> I like the idea of starting with a V6 gen 1 monty frame though!


Here are the 1/2 torsion axles I was thinking of...
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However if they make a 5 bolt to 6 bolt adapter plate, then I'll got with a lighter torsion axle (2k lbs vs 3.5k lbs) which will be alot less expensive overall per axle unless the adapter is $100 or more which would make the savings negligable.


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98 Montero with the Winter Package
89 Montero minty clean and reserved for overlanding trips or Cars and Coffee events
96SR (3.15:1 xcase, 35's) gone to the rust gods
96SR Build Up Thread
Old web page
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Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: off-roader] #552217 02/16/05 06:00 AM
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Shoot, still looking for a frame or back half. Looked at a Nissan rear frame half, the yard wanted $500.00 for it, too rich for this project.

Also, talked to a local trailer manufacturer / dealer and they can get a 5200 lb tube axle with surge (hydraulic) brakes for $200.00 in various widths. Pretty fair break from the etrailer price.

Mike

Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: azrain] #552218 02/16/05 03:24 PM
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Glad you brought that up. I was gonna check locally first as well before building/ordering anything.

TIA,

Ray <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Re: Suggestions for building an off road trailer... [Re: off-roader] #552219 02/18/05 09:45 AM
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Detail plans for Trailer Frame & idea for Trailer shell/enclosure.

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