And got it weighed

1987 Dodge Raider, auto tranny, no back seat, alloy wheels, 1/2 a tank of gas and some extra sound deadening.

Weight = 3540

Kevin

I saw this on the main page and got worried for a second there:


I thought you threw your truck away! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Kevin, For a moment there I thought you had a "spreach imprediment". (Laid?)
Got you beat Kevin. My 87 Raizer weighs 4300 lbs but I think 300 lbs is mud packed in the frame. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> Also there is about 100 lbs of tools in the tool box and (5)32" BFG mud tires.
Bob Shaw

I was going with lighter is better.... And have been putting the Raider on a diet. No more empty carbs <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Kevin

Whats your weight to HP ratio?

4300/160hp = 26.9 lbs/hp.
4.62 x 2.73 x 3.06 = 36.6:1 1st gear, 4WD low ratio
Bob Shaw

Right now my weight/hp ratio is undefined, but the engine is off - therefore hp = 0.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

I had mine weighed at the quarry (certified scales) at within 50lbs of that weight, with the back seat, but I was LIGHTER by 50, and had a full tank of fuel. I'm sure the dump scales are ok for charging for tonnage of refuse, because they just calculate gross minus tare weights, but I don't think they are real accurate. Quarry scales are certified because the load goes out the gate, where DOT lies in wait with the portable scales and the bada$$ ticket book.

When I was running a site work construction company for others, we had a big pan (earthmover thingy) at one job site that needed to be moved to another. The gross weight limit is 40 tons, and the tractor/lowboy combo we owned was limited to 35T, and with the big pan on board, we were overweight, so we hired a contract mover with a 50t lowboy. He was late, and the operator (classic rednek move coming up here) got tired of waiting, and decided just to drive it to the jobsite. On public roads. With only two axles (and weight limits per axle apply). With NO STINKIN' BRAKES (you stop it on the job site by putting down the cutting blade). I went looking when the mover didn't show up. As I headed north, I see cresting the hill about 1/2 miles ahead one big green Euclid twin motor pan, doing about 45mph, and as soon as he crests the hill, DOT cops start coming out of the woodwork. Must have been 50 cars full of them. He got a ticket for overweight and tearing up the road with the cutting edge to keep from pancaking the roadblock cop cars, and another for NO TAG. The first ticket would have cost about $8000 PLUS the road damage (about 200' of paving peeled down to dirt - maybe $10k or so more), and the second about $50. The operator kept jawboning the cops as they wrote the tickets, AFTER taking about 50 tries to get it stopped on the portable scales, and they got the VIN# wrong on the overweight/damage ticket, so the judge threw it out, and we ended up paying $50. The killer is, as soon as the cops were out of sight, he fired it up and drove it the rest of the way to the job, and only took out 3 or 4 road signs on the way. I kind of miss old Billy Dewayne and his brother Bobby Dewayne (and Dewayne is NOT their last name, it's the middle one)....

Eddy,

City scales used for comerce do you really think they would not be certified? Yes it only refuse but the land fill charges for that so they have to be certified by weights and measurments. And since they to a tare weight even for smaller loads the inbound and the outbound scales have to be very close so that small guys with pickup trucks get charges fairly.

3540 and a stock turbo at 188 hp gives 18.8 lbs per hp and 16 lbs per ft lb of tq.

My guess is I have about 225 hp, 260 ft lbs tq.. Probably conservative so that gets me 15.7 lbs per hp, and 13.6 lbs per ft-lb of tq.

For multiplication including the tq converter 4.62 x 2.826 x 1.944 x 2.25 (converter) = 57.67 to 1

So actual peak tq is: 57.67 * 260 = 1500 ft-lbs.

I am surprised at how much more Bob's rig weighs since the V6 is supposed to be similar in weight.

Kevin

Certification is not as rigorous, if done at all, because the error will not be large in relationship to the dollar charge. "Close enough". Quarry scales are more critical, because they pack the trucks to the limit, and overwieght errors that lead to tickets kill their customers, many of whom are one truck owner/operators. Anal retentive govt. might require it, but they are not that stupid here, yet. I can see it on the Left Coast.

I agree on the v6 heft surprising me, too. A 2.6 is fairly hefty itself, with all the b/s casting, and being an old diesel block, to boot. I've move 350 blocks, and 2.6 blocks, by hand, and the 350 (133% big brother of the 4.3) is not all THAT heavier than the 2.6. I can lift a 2.6 block by hand (and bust a gut doing it), and can almoooost lift a 350. Maybe 75lbs different?. Not 800 or so, for sure. I never took the Charles Atlas course....

4340lbs on Cat Scale. With me , a full tank and, a 35 lbs 2yr old and about 80 to 100lbs of stuff.