Ok guys i got my hands on front and rear dana 44's from a scout 2. The price was great and it has the gears i wanted. Or at least better than what i have. I know i will need new perches for the rear axle tub. And to move a few things a little. Am i missen any thing else on the rear. On the front ive heard alot of things and am experiance data dump. Any help will be awsome. So that when im done i can write something up on it. Thanks guys. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

With no (zero) lift the front Scout d44 pinion angle and caster won't be a big problem. However, the front axle will need to be narrowed or you have to make or buy outriggers for the frame.

The best solution is to keep the gears out of the scout ft axle and scrap the rest.

Idealy, a better ft axle is a narrowed waggy and do a 5 on 5.5 spindle hub conversion.
The wag set up gets you better steering (possible flat tops)and braking and better stronger lock out (internal hubs).

Congrats you have jumped headlong into the wonderful world of what I do every day.

The reason I don't recomend outriggers is because Cj frames are not that great when new, much less 20+ years old.

The rear axle is good!

I'll pm you later.

Josh

i'm installing a waggy in mine. here's a few shots of outbaording the front springs.

here are the stock shackle hangers.
[img][image]http://img172.exs.cx/img172/6696/shacklehangerjpg6yo.jpg[/img][/image]

i beefed them up a little with some gussets
[img][image]http://img172.exs.cx/img172/4340/jeepproject0013xt.jpg[/img][/image]

then i built some brackets to hang them from
[img][image]http://img172.exs.cx/img172/5498/jeepproject0027hf.jpg[/img][/image]

not done yet but here's how it will look
[img][image]http://img172.exs.cx/img172/9674/jeepproject0118eh.jpg[/img][/image]

i haven't got the brackets for the rear hangers quite done yet. i cut off the factory ones and will be welding them to to an angle iron bracket kind of like the front. i'll put up some pics when it's done.

Ok josh, I know on the rear the spring perches must be moved. And the front is to wide. With the little lift i have one it what all am im going to have to do to get it all worken. I havent found any waggy front 44's near here. And this has the gears i want. So what all am i going to have to redo on the front. If i want to keep stock perches up front can i? or do i have to do other stuff. Thanks <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Now valleycat is doing what looks like a very strong set up.
He has plated the side of the frame and integrated the outrigger into the stout ft bumper, it should work great.
Just remember to keep that cheesy cross member under the oil pan. Looks nice Cat!

OK Scout front axles have a problem and now you have the same problem.

Caster is an alignment angle that makes the steering wheel return to center as well as helping to keep your rig tracking straight down the road.

Scouts are set up with zero caster, ah ha I'll just throw some shims in there and I'll have some +caster? Right? WRONG, if you want to ever have a front driveshaft (installed and will actualy turn) shims are NOT the answer.

Scout IH came up with a awful axle configuration and Dana/Spicer just did what IH wanted. Dana built millions of great rear axles and just as many boat anchor fronts.

The main problem is the way that the inner knuckles are welded to the tube, the top of the knuckle is toooo far forward, like 15 degrees.
Pinion angle is directly related to Caster, in that when you look at a scouts front driveshaft, you will notice it points 10 degrees down from level and that is at zero caster. If you add 3-5 degrees caster (where it should be)(doing this will rotate the top of the knuckles rearward.)
the driveshaft won't even bolt in, and even if you could make a driveshaft work without binding it would be dragging in the dirt/rocks. Adding a lift kit will increase the angle problem.

So what needs doing is two fold. (Wags have 10-12degrees up pinion angle and 4-5 degrees caster) (bingo)

Doing as Valleycat did (outrigger) and just doing a cut and turn on the inner knuckles, or finding a wag bare housing and swaping all the guts. Or Going with a complete ft wag and redrillig your rear axles for 6 on 5.5 wheel pattern and getting new wheels.
Or Doing the 5 on 5.5 conversion to the wag housing, using early chevy spindle and any f150 or bronco hub/rotor and the chevy/wag caliper brackets?

If you go the wag route, you get internal locking hubs (massively stronger than D30/Scout hubs) way beefier stub shafts and generaly a heavier build housing (thicker tube).

SD
Josh

if you can't find a waggy front in your area, there's got to be a chevy 44 or something you can cut down to fit your axles. i would think a fullsize 44 housing would be dirt cheap empty at a junkyard, or somebody's yard in texas. if you don't have much lift, it might work but as SD says(in not so many words) castor and pinion angle are enemies. to make one better, you make the other one worse. it's hard to find a compromise when you start with 0 degrees castor with no lift.

the waggy has some castor built in. i'm going to set my pinion angle and let the castor fall where it may. if need be, i'll cut and turn the inner c(inner knuckle). but even if i don't, it will still have better castor than a scout 44 front in stock form. wtf was IH thinking? steering is over-rated?

That is funny to read... All I ever thought about my scout was how good it drove on the hiway.. never wandered or darted like you'd think from these posts. I wonder why it (they) didn't? But I like my daily ride to have only 1 or 2 degrees anyway I hate a ride that pushes into corners.
BJ

My dads Scout 800 with the pinion in the dirt 44 drove great too. However with any sort of lift on a scout, they start to wander and drive like crap.

I guess the the real story is... I hope you did not pay too much for the pair, because really what you bought is a good rear axle. As cat put it, try and find a wag housing stripped down bare and swap your stuff and do a solid outrigger, or have that housing/inner shaft shortened about 4".
BUT....doing all that leaves you with scout steering crap, weak hubs, light duty stub shafts, thin tubes.

The best case is to sell the scout front get a wag and do the 5 on 5.5 conversion, this way you get all the best stuff, best hubs, steering, spindles, tube thickness, flat top knuckles (For later high steer, if you look hard enough), castor and pinion angles all with the least grinding and cutting!

Side note.. I've done two waggy housings intalled INTO scouts, because scout axles don't work in scouts.

SD
Josh

Ok so i should try to find a waggy front 44 and swap gears and do a hub conversion to it? What all else do i need for the hub conversion. I havent bought the axles yet they are on hold for the guy. I will get some pics as soon as i go and post em. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Thanks