Well Jim,it depends on what you like I guess <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />. No really what I ment was a bottle of sheilding gas for the welder. I use 75/25 mix for welding mild steel. I'm building some rock sliders tonight for the trip I am making this weekend. I'll get some pics up on my site soon. Just came in to take a break and see who all was on the wire. CJ