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Well, I'm not knocking Chrysler for bringing us the Rubicon or the Powerwagon. Not at all. <snip>

In the end, you still have a "Chrysler" and all of the inherent design deficiencies of a cheaply made and designed vehicle, IMHO.


Brian if you could just give the compliment without kicking them afterward I wouldn't feel compelled to reply. Sometimes I think that you never go wheeling. Where I live, there are a lot of TJs on the trail and they are very capable and comfortable. In fact they are exactly what you are asking for from Toyota, a relatively inexpensive, no frills wheeler.

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The Rubicon is nothing more than a Jeep with the axles that it "should" come with standard to be equal to most Toyotas. The Dana 30 and 35s are a joke.


And a stronger transfer case. And lower gearing. And lockers front and rear. And rocker protection. Other than that, yeah it is nothing special. I don't like the dinky 5x4.5 bolt pattern and agree with you on the ground clearance, but if they made them any higher from the factory they would have Ralph Nader and Consumer Reports foaming at the mouth.

As for the axles, I'll give you the 35 but the Dana 30 is just as good as any axle that Toyota currently offers in this country, and with 30 spline ARBs, chromoly shafts, and heavy duty u-joints they can live with 37" tires in competition.