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I don't think you realize that you and I completely agree in a lot of ways.


Sure we do, but if we just agree this thread would be pretty boring (and a lot shorter...). I drive a Toyota for the same reason as you. They have strong components, last a long time, and are suitable for a diverse amount of tasks from rockcrawling to expeditions to daily driving.

The current Toyotas still work better than most vehicles (save TJs and Power Wagons <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" /> ) but the gap is closing. I've checked out Slee's personal FJ100, saw 4th Gen 4Runners cover the Golden Spike trail in Moab with little drama, and have spent a LOT of time in a certain Lexus GX470 with 33s and a rear ARB. I also know that same Lexus currently has all of the ESC, HDC, ABS, etc on the fritz. It is a nightmare to deal with. My preference would be for a simple (this would be less expensive as well) vehicle with manual lockers and a brain behind the wheel, instead of under the dash. Toyota is certainly capable of making such a vehicle, you said yourself that they already offer the equivilant overseas. So can you understand why I am disappointed when they give us brushed metal door handles and a roof rack.

Last edited by DirtyHarry; 02/10/05 04:20 AM.