Certainly Pioneer produces some cheap awful speakers, primarily becasue walmart and best buy are large chains who want something dirt cheap to use for promotion. Like you said you get what you pay for. I realize that i bought these speakers years ago, and pricing has gone down significantly, but i invested over $350 at cost not retail on these, so you can understand why I've kept them. But I didn't start this reply to defend my choices, especially since they were not actually attacked. I suppose it is from often defending the brand as an employee. I haven't worked for them for 6 1/2 years. I meant to say that it is good to see that someone else is willing to take the time to see what can fit. Any body else got some interesting electronics? I always enjoy reading and chating about mobile electronics.