</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans"> Bill is our friend, Bill will help us!!!
No he isn't!!!
Bill tricks us!!!! You have no friends!!!
But he is nice, he will helps us yes?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">He helps you, yes. PM'd ya. Now get those slimey fingers off my throat and put some clothes on! Sheesh... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[Hillbilly]" title="" src="graemlins/notooth.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans"> I really think you should just skip the R151 thing you know??? Becaus efinding a bell housing w/ the right input shaft length for the V6 might be kinda difficult, you sure you just don't want to go w/ the R150???? ::froths at mouth::
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Uh... I was told anyway, the 88-95 V6 bellhousing bolts right on the R151... and the input shaft is perfect though finagling a clutch would involve some mix-n-match. So what have those wicked eyes seen, Gollum? Tell me before I sic Samwise on ya.

<small>[ July 01, 2003, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: Bill_Morgan ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by Bill_Morgan:
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Phase 4- pick up a Taco or Runner with flat-taco-itis but no engine damage. Pick up a harness from Mike Caskey. Pick up a radiator. Pick up a V6 bellhousing. Figure out a clutch. Relocate the motor mounts. What am I forgetting?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">You would also need to do exhaust work and might have to relocate your transfer case crossmember and redo driveshafts depending on the length of your new drivetrain.

Mike Caskey of Off-Road Solutions is running a R151F behind his 3.4L so it can be done. As you said Bill, I believe that the R series bellhousings are interchangable so you should just need to find a bellhousing from an R150, but Mike could let you know for certain.

<small>[ July 01, 2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: DirtyHarry ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by DirtyHarry:
<strong>You would also need to do exhaust work and might have to relocate your transfer case crossmember and redo driveshafts depending on the length of your new drivetrain.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">I hope to go from the crossmember forward when I lay things out, so the exhaust would be the only issue. Relocating the crossmember would not be that big a deal but relocating my twin stick would be a pain, I have it juuuuuuussssst right in the console. That 3.4 is a bunch shorter than the 22RE, so I should be able to put it where I want it, and make up the distance to the radiator with a fan extension. Mebbe.

Of course, for me the Sawzall hood & scoop would be preferable to a body lift but Mike may tell me the lift is mandatory for other reasons, like tranny etc. though I can't picture it since the dimensions of the drivetrain should be the same.

I have this utterly unrealistic and unaffordable fantasy of putting "abnormally aspirated" on the hood scoop, with the truck otherwise clean and unremarkable. Completely silly, probably will never happen and I doubt it would pass the spouse sniff test. I love it.

Bill-

What happened with your Jasper engine? Just thinking of more power, or hasn't it lived up to your expectations?

I too dream of putting a 3.4 in my truck, but believe I'll probably start over with a different truck first. Need more space for family, supplies.

Hey, Steve, long time no hear. Hope the LS business is treating you well with more rain this year...
Anywho- It runs absolutely perfectly. Additional evidence I am losing my mind. Oh well... <img border="0" alt="[Hillbilly]" title="" src="graemlins/notooth.gif" /> I just can't leave things alone, I never could. Never owned a motorcycle that remained stock for long either.

<small>[ July 01, 2003, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Bill_Morgan ]</small>

Yeah, I am still unsure if the R151 will fit on the 6 cylinder, as I have become accutely aware, not all bellhousings are the same!!!

Yes the bell housing will bolt directly on the gearbox, but are the INPUT shafts of the R150/R151 the same???

All R type gear boxes have the same bolt patterns on the front of the gear box and the tail, in addtion they all have interchangeable output shafts, the input shafts (do to varying gear ratios and length) are NOT interchangeable. This is something that I ran into and short of designing a custom bell housing you need to make sure that works out! If it was simple I would be using an R150 or R151 gearbox rather then the R154. (though the R154 allows for a much beefier clutch setup).

Jay

Here's a thought for ya-
I went by Mike Caskey's place to put a deposit on some parts for my son and oogle a 22RE/3.4 conversion he was doing. As Harry mentioned, Mike's big 3.4 conversion-on-stilts uses a 3.4 mated to an R151. According to Mike, fitment problems are solved by mix-n-match of old and new design clutch parts, works fine lasts long time. Call Mike for info.

Oh, and late this summer Mike hopes to have a complete kit for 22RE to 3.4 conversions. It won't be cheap, but won't be that much more than scrounging parts yourself. One stop shopping. He also has a first-rate source for motors but they are not particularly cheap. For that, I might contact a certain insurance adjuster I know...

Oh, and it DOES look like I would have to relocate my tranny/tcases forward maybe an inch or two. Dangit. It all depends where I want the exhaust crossover to go and how close to the firewall I want the motor to be. I could put on a go-go-Gadget fan extendo unit to get close to the radiator... <img border="0" alt="[Hillbilly]" title="" src="graemlins/notooth.gif" />

<small>[ July 01, 2003, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Bill_Morgan ]</small>

Ok guys. All this is very interesting as I am wanting to replace my W56 with a R151. Truck is an 88 Xtracab all stock with a 22RE. Will the R151 just bolt in, no problem or what will I need? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Bill and I were just discussing this earlier today. The R151F will bolt right up to your existing motor since the RTE motor had the same block as the RE motor. The clutch and flywheel are different on the R151F (heavier flywheel and bigger clutch) but according to Bill's research the input shaft is the same and he thinks that you can use your existing W series clutch and flywheel.

Overall drivetrain length -should- stay the same so no lengthening or shortening of driveshafts should be necessary. I have no idea about the slave cylinder, that is something else to consider. I have an R151F but it came stock in my truck, I've never swapped one in.

So Oakey, are you "Frogger1946"? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Well that's just great news! I've been seeking a definitive answer to this for o year now. This forum rocks!!!

I have carefully measured all of the sections of my W56 including the overall length as well as the driveshaft flange and shifter locations. All I have to do is measure up the R151 to see about driveshaft lengths and then there's the all-important shifter location.

I am soooo psych'd!