not even worth mentioning might be extreme. I'm sure the government spent ooodles designing that thing. And although it is big, the military models, and I mean the real military models, not the H1 or H2 or hummers that people call them, but the HMMWV. This is the military model and most often comes striped to the bone, unless it has body armor, and is not all that heavy for its apparent size. As for the mud, with a good set of tires I think they can hold their own. But I'd still never buy one, I'm a jeepaholic for life. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" />