NH, Been there, grew up there . . . if you think your trails in the NE are difficult, you need to get out more . . . I'm talking road trip here! Major road trip!

They've got clay out here in the west and sw that turns into a goo that will stick to the tires, and ball up on itself so it looks like your running brown snowmen for tires and wheels! You hit this goo climbing down switch backs on shelf-roads, and the goo-covered tires slide over the gooey trail surface on there own, as gravity attempts to suck your rig over the edge of the shelf-road. The worst part is cleaning your rig, the stuff takes months to get completely off the rig.

They've got trails out here where you have to winch over a waterfall, or up a verticle canyon wall.

They've got trails that require a wrangler to run at least 35" tires to allow sufficient differential clearance and/or breakover angle to clear the rocky trail obstacles to climb the forest covered mountain trail to get to the 13,000-plus alpine elevations!

They've got sand dunes to jump, rivers to cross, huge monoliths to crawl . . . truly, a four wheeler's paradise!

We have the same rules, stay on the trail, etc. I think Wyoming and Oklahoma are the few place where you can still go off trail in designated areas.

Where in NH did you grow up? And I was not at all saying the west doesnt have hard trails. I grew up out in southern California and we used to do many week long trips into the desert's. Ive been to just about every part of the continental USA except texas and the sorrounding states. so I know what most places have to offer.

First, Scottie2113, you rock!

I will now stoop to your level:

Mr. bitchstone, why are you such an angry person?
Calling us pussies up here in the NE is highly uncalled for. Theres this mountain trail we have called wynn mountain. right at the top there is this rock face, with BIG drops on either side. JEEPS go end over end there all day long. We do it. Toytas, monty's. jeeps do to, but the casualty rate is pretty high.



and dude, even i know what a jeep "laredo is" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

happy trails!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Offroader,

"If you REALLY want the "fun" of building up your a jeep for a few grand extra just to get on equal footing w/ a Mitsu w/ basic mods (wheels & tires), "

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Now,you know better! There ain't no way you can follow my Wrangler on extremely difficult trails! Nice try, though! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

I like Moab Rim Trail, too! But, it's a stock-er trail! Gold Bar Rim is getting more difficult each year. The golden crack isn't much of an obstacle now that I am running 37" tires on the YJ. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

I want pics of that <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> I just moved from Durango, where are these trails at?

And to align with the threads topic, I think the best 4x is the one in each of our garages. To each our own, we know our vehicles better than others and we know their capabilities better than others as well. It is the vehicle each of us have the confidence in to get us there is the best 4x. Moab is a great place to wheel, so is colorado, but each person has a different need in 4wheelin.

I recall in the 4x pic thread a gent from some snow country posted up and people didnt understand why he had something like 40's on a cherokee w/ minimal lift, he did it for basically flotation on the snow. It worked for how he wheels, not how I wheel. So like Fred says, Ill agree and add, get off your <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> and go wheel *****'s.

88,

Darn, I didn't know I was *****, 88! I was just having a little fun with all the lemmings that have scampered over here from the mitsibitsi board! Forgive me, but it's been a while now since I was Downeast, But, I couldn't help myself knowing you're from NH. I honestly could hear your Elmer Fudd dilect while reading your post! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

You should move back to NH come wheelin' with us!

sure your trucks bigger and better and more expensive than mine, but ill betcha we can manage to break it!

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Mod Man,

Calamity canyon in Montrose (however, I recently saw some pictures of that box canyon we had to winch over; it looks like that canyon wall has been worn down by continuous use, but I really couldn't tell for certain from the picture).

88, you're okay!

I've kind of gotten over that need to break things while wheeling! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> There's too little time and too much to do here in the Rockies to even consider such a road trip! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

I own a montero and have driven many jeeps. Personally I feel that they are almost the same and most of the time it comes' down to the driver ability and taking the right line. When it comes to road manners and MPG the Monty takes it.


Personally I don't wheel my montero anymore.....because I got 2 404 unimogs. I would love to compare them to a jeep but it would not be fair to the jeep. The best 4x4 ever made is the unimog hands down. The keyword in that statement is ô4x4ö, meaning that it will rarely ever go on the road. Once one of the older unimogs hits the road it sucks but the new ones are way better. The reasons you canÆt compare a unimog to a jeep is because the unimog is more like a tractor than a jeep, lower gears, tougher axles, bigger tires, and over all bigger. Yes jeeps can fit down more trails but unimogs make trails. The one thing I have seen first hand is jeepers and other rigs not willing to follow a unimog while it makes a new trail. Also the price of that concept will probably be close to the cost of a unimog. Last thing is that jeeps are fun for 2 to 3 people and can hold about 2 to 3 days worth of supplies. Unimogs are for 8 to 12 people and 6 to 9 days.


Stock to stock= unimog, itÆs about the only high priced rig that will actually get you there.

www.unimogvideo.com


now that i have pissed off both sides i am going to stop posting.

:flame on: