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1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? #582721 03/20/05 05:36 PM
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ravencr Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Hey guys,

I'm attempting to swap in a 1994 Rodeo gas tank into the spare tire area of my 1997 4runner. I currently know the details of my stock tank tubing and wiring details. But, what I need to know is the tubing and wiring details on this 1994 Rodeo tank so I can match it us to my stock tanks tubing, etc. I can take pictures of the 1994 tank if that will help, or if anyone already has pictures that could point out to me which tube is what, and which is + & - on the wires, it would be fantastic. I look forward to hearing from someone on this, because I'm planning to get it ready this week.

Chris

Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: ravencr] #582722 03/21/05 01:55 AM
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randii Offline
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Cool swap -- but don't make it soo complicated! There should be three small tubes and a big filler. One of the small hoses will be bigger than the others -- that's the pressure supply line from the in-tank fuel pump. The other two smal lines should be about the same size -- one is the return from the fuel pressure regulator and the other is the vent line that runs to the charcoal canister. You can use these interchangeably - tee in one with your existing charcoal canister, and use the other for fuel return to the second tank. Switching fuel supply and fuel return together is the cleanest way to do this, otherwise you might wind up running one tank dry and overflowing the other, courtesy of the return line.

There should be two wires that are significantly fatter than the others -- often, they'll have their own dedicated connector with a yellow weatherproof gasket/bellows. These are the fuel pump wires, and polarity shouldn't be an issue. Connect these two wires to a 12V power supply or battery and if you get a jet of fuel, you're good to go.

I'm fuzzier on the other wires... There may be a separate roll-safety feature, which would account for two more wires, and a fuel level sender, which could be one or two wires, depending if it does fariable resistance to ground or variable resistance to coil. '

If you undo the fasteners for the pump assembly, you should be able to visualize where all these connections go, and IMHO it is a good idea to clean the 'sock' filter on the inlet.

Randii


Randy Burleson
4x4Wire Managing Editor Emeritus
Mongrel Isuzu Amigo
Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: ravencr] #582723 03/21/05 01:57 AM
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randii Offline
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Some of Barak's pictures may interchange:
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showf...&o=14&fpart=1#Post699255
Randii

Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: randii] #582724 03/21/05 11:56 AM
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ravencr Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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Cool swap -- but don't make it soo complicated! There should be three small tubes and a big filler. One of the small hoses will be bigger than the others -- that's the pressure supply line from the in-tank fuel pump. The other two smal lines should be about the same size -- one is the return from the fuel pressure regulator and the other is the vent line that runs to the charcoal canister. You can use these interchangeably - tee in one with your existing charcoal canister, and use the other for fuel return to the second tank. Switching fuel supply and fuel return together is the cleanest way to do this, otherwise you might wind up running one tank dry and overflowing the other, courtesy of the return line.

There should be two wires that are significantly fatter than the others -- often, they'll have their own dedicated connector with a yellow weatherproof gasket/bellows. These are the fuel pump wires, and polarity shouldn't be an issue. Connect these two wires to a 12V power supply or battery and if you get a jet of fuel, you're good to go.

I'm fuzzier on the other wires... There may be a separate roll-safety feature, which would account for two more wires, and a fuel level sender, which could be one or two wires, depending if it does fariable resistance to ground or variable resistance to coil. '

If you undo the fasteners for the pump assembly, you should be able to visualize where all these connections go, and IMHO it is a good idea to clean the 'sock' filter on the inlet.

Randii
Thanks man! I'm not keeping my stock tank, because the whole purpose of this swap is to gain some undercarriage clearance. So, how would you change what you just said based on the isuzu tank being the only tank now? Anything?

Chris

Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: ravencr] #582725 03/21/05 12:07 PM
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randii Offline
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If you just run the one tank, it is simpler... there are still three small tubes in addition to the big filler hose. One of these three small hoses will be bigger than the others -- that's the pressure supply line from the in-tank fuel pump... connect that one to the tank side of your fuel filter. The other two small lines should be about the same size; connect one to the return side of the fuel pressure regulator and the other to the charcoal canister hose.

You'll still need to figure out which two wires feed the fuel pump (see above) and connect those to yourstock fuel pump electronics. You'll need to sort out any other wires (see above) and hopefully get the feul level sender to work with your guage. Check the values in a factory service manual -- I bet you'll be able to use the Isuzu sender with the Toyota instrument panel.

Randii

Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: randii] #582726 03/22/05 06:57 AM
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maxwell417 Offline
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I found this thread while researching the aux fuel tank I am building.

From Robt

0 - 90 Ohms GM cars, 1965 to present
0 - 30 GM cars prior to 1965
73 - 10 Fords prior to 1989 & most Chryslers
16 - 158 Ford post 1987
240 - 33.5 often seen as US or SW standard
120 - 17 Isuzu Trooper

I think using the Isuzu sender might be a problem. I don't know Toyota specs.


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Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: maxwell417] #582727 03/22/05 12:08 PM
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ravencr Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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I found this thread while researching the aux fuel tank I am building.

From Robt

0 - 90 Ohms GM cars, 1965 to present
0 - 30 GM cars prior to 1965
73 - 10 Fords prior to 1989 & most Chryslers
16 - 158 Ford post 1987
240 - 33.5 often seen as US or SW standard
120 - 17 Isuzu Trooper

I think using the Isuzu sender might be a problem. I don't know Toyota specs.
It might be, but to be honest, I'm not really concerned with it at this point, although it would be nice if it worked. I drive it to and from the trails, and that's it at this point, so I normally fill it up right before I hit the trail anyway. Hopefully it does work, though.

Chris

Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: ravencr] #582728 03/25/05 02:45 AM
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ravencr Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Well, after pulling my tank today, and testing the hookups it started right up and the gauge read perfectly. I was absolutely amazed, to be honest. The mounting location is going to be awesome too. If you want to see pics and follow along on the swap, go here: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=54684

Chris

Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: ravencr] #582729 03/25/05 07:26 AM
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randii Offline
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Looks good -- nice fit! Isuzu's stock skidplate is reasonable stout and is plenty easy to reinforce... and it already fits the tank.

Thanks for following up! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Randii


Randy Burleson
4x4Wire Managing Editor Emeritus
Mongrel Isuzu Amigo
Re: 1994 Rodeo Tank Details Needed?? [Re: randii] #582730 03/25/05 12:18 PM
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ravencr Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Yeah, I was thinking about that, but due to the design of my frame rails and rearmost crossmember, I'm going to go with a custom plate that I'll make out of 3/16" plate. I probably won't go under the entire tank. I'll probably go under it until when looking at it sideways, it will hit the rearmost edge of the tire. I doubt I'll ever hit it closer to the front from there.

Chris








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