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 Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: JeePete]
#589347
04/08/05 07:59 PM
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Thanks, JeePete; just checked out the web site and ordered the catalogue. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: valleycat]
#589348
04/08/05 08:59 PM
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the dana 35 is not made of glass. i flog mine on the rocks at table mesa in my xj. just know the terrain and don't take lines that will break your sh*t What size tires are you running on your XJ? I have a freind that uses his YJ alot on mild stuff. For years he had a lock-rite, about a year ago he had an ARB put in, he has never broken his rearend, but he is running 31" tires, and has the 2.5l engine. I think that the point that Fred, JeePete and others are saying is with 33 inch tires and the 4.0l engine in high traction situation even on mild trails the dana35 will not last. i say buy a cheap lockrite for the back and leave the front open. if you plan to run mild trails(like fr-42)that's all you'll need. if you want to run anaconda, highway to hell, and asylum, upgrade your axles. If I could do Lower Terminator, Woodpecker, etc. without problems I would be happy. I am planning on a Box Canyon/Martinez Cabin trip this Sunday for my first run in my Jeep.
2007 4x4 Tacoma Dbl Cab with TDR and rear locker - stock for now
2001 Wrangler Sport - sold
1998 Rodeo S 4x4 - traded in
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 Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: AZPetrak]
#589349
04/08/05 11:38 PM
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Joined: Oct 2003
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Some of the guys here are waaaay out of my league on breaking their setups.. I have owned over a DOZEN 35's and never broke even one of them.. In fact the ONLY rear I ever broke was a 44 in my scout. When you get to where you NEED a bigger duty rear you will know it ahead of time. The 35 has done what it was designed to do and far more, would be my judgement. All the posts saying terrible things about my beloved 35 should be taken with a grain of salt. I, myself, could post all day long and not say a bad thing about them.. Big Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> Big Jim
professional bovine relocation specialist
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: BigJim]
#589350
04/09/05 12:05 AM
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Anonymous
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I'll step in here real quick.
The dan 35 is a POS. I did not break a shaft on my 35 when i was running it. I did twist one a about 10 degrees, but no big deal. What i did do is go through 3 sets of pinion bearings numerious pinion seals, the threads on the pinion got so bad i had to replace it i went through 3 sets of wheel bearings and bent one side of it. If you drive hard, it will brake, If you drive soft it will take 35's..... Usually we do the first on the trails though....
Automatic lockers in the front work just fine... BUT.. I have never seena stock YJ without play in the front driveshaft splines. They come poorly balanced and poorly made. If a locker or limited slip were put in the front on a stock YJ the front shaft would be forced to spin and you would eat through u-joints, and it would vibrate like mad. IF you replace the front shaft as well, i would get a posi lock and a locker.
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: AZPetrak]
#589351
04/09/05 01:39 AM
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Christian, Thanks for the reply, your post says a lot about the kind of person you are . . . obviously, a gentleman! Your latter posts show a sincere interest in finding the best solution for your needs. I've read about the trails you mentioned, one of these years in the near future I want to take a few weeks off in the spring, and just do some of the trails north and northeast of Phoenix. Hopefully, I'll be lucky enough to caugh the desert in bloom. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
94 YJ, SOA, 2-1/2 Alcans, ARB-front, Detroit-Rear, 4.56:1 gears, Oasis Trailhead compressor, 4:1 Terra Lo, 37x12.50x15 SSR's, 8000 lb Ramsey, & etc.
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: BigJim]
#589352
04/09/05 01:43 AM
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Just statin' the facts BigJim, how many of those 35's had 32" tires or larger? Just curious. The two in my club that have broken in the last year were as follows. 1. 94 YJ, open diff with 3.07 gears and 33" tires.Was trying to climb out of a washout up a 24" vertical sand/clay wall. Spider gear shattered. removed spider gears,cleaned out shrapnel and while being towed out, C clip came off and axel slid 3/4 way out. Apparently C clip was damaged from shrapnel. Reinstalled C clip put Jeep on trailer for ride back to base. 2. 99 TJ, 4.11 gears Powertrax no slip locker, 32" tires, was climbing small hill rear tire came up against a root, Axel broke at spline. Disasembled and replaced with spare axel someone had because it's a well known weak point. He has since upgraded the axels an added a detroit locker. Time will tell if he thinks it was a good investment or not.This fella is older than me! Maybe older than you! He doesn't hesitate to try the hard stuff but does so in the most reasonable way possible. In other words unlike the first guy, he doesn't have a heavy foot. Neither of these incidents were on a trail in any way more than mildly difficult, very mildly. I'm glad you have good luck with them. I'm sorry I own one. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: AZPetrak]
#589353
04/09/05 02:35 AM
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What size tires are you running on your XJ?
I have a freind that uses his YJ alot on mild stuff. For years he had a lock-rite, about a year ago he had an ARB put in, he has never broken his rearend, but he is running 31" tires, and has the 2.5l engine.
I think that the point that Fred, JeePete and others are saying is with 33 inch tires and the 4.0l engine in high traction situation even on mild trails the dana35 will not last.
31" tires for me too. 4.0/auto. i'm not saying the 35c is a great axle, or even a good axle. an axle swap is your best bet. but if a swap is not an option, i wouldn't be afraid to throw a cheap locker in there. how many jeeps do you see around town with 33's/35's? you know most of these guys 4 wheel and i highly doubt they've all upgraded their rear axle. i would never spend $700-1000 for a selectable locker on a 35. i would use the money to buy an 8.8 and a cheap locker. what sounds stronger for about even money, 8.8/lockrite, or 35c/arb? i'll take the 8.8. i plan to run 33's on my xj as soon as i can figure out how to make them fit. i intend to leave the 35 in with a cheap locker and run trails like terminator and woodpecker as well. i think it will be fine. have fun at martinez.
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: JeePete]
#589354
04/09/05 02:48 AM
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Joined: Oct 2003
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Just statin' the facts BigJim, how many of those 35's had 32" tires or larger? Just curious. The two in my club that have broken in the last year were as follows. 1. 94 YJ, open diff with 3.07 gears and 33" tires.Was trying to climb out of a washout up a 24" vertical sand/clay wall. Spider gear shattered. removed spider gears,cleaned out shrapnel and while being towed out, C clip came off and axel slid 3/4 way out. Apparently C clip was damaged from shrapnel. Reinstalled C clip put Jeep on trailer for ride back to base. 2. 99 TJ, 4.11 gears Powertrax no slip locker, 32" tires, was climbing small hill rear tire came up against a root, Axel broke at spline. Disasembled and replaced with spare axel someone had because it's a well known weak point. He has since upgraded the axels an added a detroit locker. Time will tell if he thinks it was a good investment or not.This fella is older than me! Maybe older than you! He doesn't hesitate to try the hard stuff but does so in the most reasonable way possible. In other words unlike the first guy, he doesn't have a heavy foot. Neither of these incidents were on a trail in any way more than mildly difficult, very mildly. I'm glad you have good luck with them. I'm sorry I own one. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> You are correct I have never put 32's on a Jeep.. If I ever did I would not run 3.07's in it for sure. I have no arguement with you about needing a bigger axle with hard use.. none at all. For the offroading I do I could use 35's and a 4.88 in there and I prolly would never break it. When I broke the scout I learned that them things are not industructable. Also if that guy is older than me...who helps him get in the Jeep? Hell he must be older than sand. Big JIm <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />
professional bovine relocation specialist
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: BigJim]
#589355
04/09/05 03:11 AM
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So the 8/14 in your profile is month and year? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> (I said maybe) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Locker in Front first?
[Re: JeePete]
#589356
04/09/05 03:42 PM
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Joined: Oct 2003
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Pete I was born in the only bedroom in my Grandmothers house at 445 E Mistletoe in San Antonio Texas. It was 1:00 AM Saturday, August 14th 1937. I confess not remembering too much about the ordeal. Yep I am 67 and if lucky will soon see 68. I do have a word of advice for you younger guys. If you have any sex on your agenda you sure need to get it over with before you reach 67! What can one do at 67? I am presently hard at work rebuilding my Bass boat trailer.. Taking off dual axles and reinstalling a single in a new location. Putting surge brakes on there and generally futzing around with it. Big JIm <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />
professional bovine relocation specialist
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