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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: MuddRunner] #602645 11/18/05 01:09 AM
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They currently offer two, one with 5 psi and the other at 10 psi. Here is a link, but they have no info other than the price. Both are under $3K.

Sorry the site was down and I couldn't link to the page a this time...


You'll have to publish that link. There's no way a 10psi blower will work with stock EFI. Certain meltdown.
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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381] #602646 11/18/05 03:55 PM
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They currently offer two, one with 5 psi and the other at 10 psi. Here is a link, but they have no info other than the price. Both are under $3K.

Sorry the site was down and I couldn't link to the page a this time...


You'll have to publish that link. There's no way a 10psi blower will work with stock EFI. Certain meltdown.


<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I never said it would work with a stock EFI engine... LC Engineering recommends many mods for it's induction systems, both turbo and supercharged, look at the bottom of this link for their Tech-FAQ

http://www.lcengineering.com/Newsletter/NewsltrV4N01.htm

Sorry but the http://www.toyotacatalog.net/ server is still not working... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />


'92 Pickup x-cab, 22re, auto.
'50 Ford Tudor Sedan, my new "Hot Rod"

Too much to do, too little time/$$$

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381] #602647 11/21/05 09:11 PM
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They currently offer two, one with 5 psi and the other at 10 psi. Here is a link, but they have no info other than the price. Both are under $3K.

Sorry the site was down and I couldn't link to the page a this time...


You'll have to publish that link. There's no way a 10psi blower will work with stock EFI. Certain meltdown.


Here is the link to the LC page for their superchargers. Items 1073003 and 1073004.
http://www.toyotacatalog.net/m1webgear/ProductSearch.aspx?Class=1641
Has anyone on this site used one of these?


'92 Pickup x-cab, 22re, auto.
'50 Ford Tudor Sedan, my new "Hot Rod"

Too much to do, too little time/$$$

Heb. 12.3
Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: MuddRunner] #602648 11/27/05 07:32 AM
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I have one.
See my above post. It's the same blower on the 22r and 22re.
Manifolds are different for the EFI, of course.
The high and low boost versions are simply different drive pulleys.


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1988 4Runner
22RTE core, turbocharged, megasquirted...
Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381] #602649 12/13/05 09:59 AM
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BUMP!!!! I need to bring this thread back up because I want more power out of the 22re and I think a 10lb boost package tuned down to 8psi should net up around 200hp yes?? Im curious how much extra stuff you need outside of the basic kit.

Re: 22re supercharger question #602650 12/14/05 01:00 AM
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BUMP!!!! I need to bring this thread back up because I want more power out of the 22re and I think a 10lb boost package tuned down to 8psi should net up around 200hp yes?? Im curious how much extra stuff you need outside of the basic kit.


Um...no, and certainly not 200 hp at the rear wheels. Maybe160-170 hp at the wheels, at sea level on a cold day running premium, assuming the motor also has the additional necessary tidbits to support this sort of power (bigger injectors, header, performance exhaust, performance cam, aftermarket ignition). Remember, stock 22RE makes 116 hp at the crank, so a jump from that to 200 (wheels or crank) is serious business.

Also, remember that the supercharger is parasitic, so it will take power to spin it, and the faster it spins the more power it will need.

I'm not knocking superchargers, as I have one on my 3RZ 4Runner, but the gains I saw were very modest -- maybe 15 hp at 5 or 6 psi of boost. My 3RZ motor is stock except for a header and exhaust.

On my 22RTE, I'm currently making 222hp on 15 psi of boost. But this is a race-prepped motor with a serious pedigree (and an expensive learning curve). You can certainly get 200+ hp from a 22RE with forced induction, but it doesn't make that sort of power easily or cheaply.

Not knocking your dreams, just wanted to share some thoughts and perhaps set your goals to more attainable levels.

-Jeff


Jeff Moskovitz
1986 turbo 4X4 truck
1998 2.7L/M5 4X4 4Runner

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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: mosk] #602651 12/16/05 10:48 PM
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dcg9381 Offline
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Respek' to Jeff.. I've been watching your build up of that 22RET for quite a while. The only thing I would have done differently is the EFI side.

Jeff is right, 200 rwhp is probably outside the range of that 22RE with a bolt on. Now, that being said, the supercharger is a positive displacement unit and it makes boost almost immediately. I haven't talked to LC about it for almost a year, but you might want to call and check for documentation and dyno runs. The TORQUE the blower put out was instant and very impressive, if I recall right - 50% more at 5-6psi. If nothing else, it will feel like a lot more power in a range where you can use it every day.

For peak power, a turbo is the way to go as it's not parasitic- IE - it doesn't require crank HP to turn the belt.

Another thing, you won't see 8psi on pump gas without doing some timing and more likely A/F control.

Alternatives for a good budget blown motor:
Use RET pistons (much lower compression)
use a RET head w/ stock pistons (somewhat lower compression)
Timing control (something like MSD-6AL BTM)
Water injection

Again, I don't know how LC is doing fuel control on the EFI unit.

I haven't dyno'd my junk yet... I'll get around to it one day, but my compression is very low - 7.8:1 EST. I can run 87 octane and 10-11 psi, stock timing, no pinging at all. There is probably another 25 HP in my motor if I could increase the boost efficiently.


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1988 4Runner
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Re: 22re supercharger question [Re: dcg9381] #602652 12/16/05 11:17 PM
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ive seen plenty of 3.4L engines with wiring harnesses for sale less than that S/C. Just a thought. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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