4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap

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Well I've been thinking more and more about this motor swap.... My orignal plan was to swap in a Taco 2.7L 3RZFE motor since its basically a bolt-in. I'm just not sure if a 3RZ-FE will be enough for me! I would hate to go through all this work and still not be satisfied with the highway performance of the 4runner.

I know I want more HP. Torque numbers are not that important since I've got tons of gears (Dual Ultimate T-case) but it would be nice if the motor has a flat torque curve which means a wider power band. I also want to retain my W56 tranny and don't want the expensive of replacing that to say a R series tranny. And toy T-cases since I have lots of money in mine. I also don't want to buy an expensive adapter since most AA adapters I see to adapt to the toy tranny run about $400-$500 and to adapt a R-series tranny to a toy t-case is about $350 from Marlin! I also want something with equal or better gas mileage. 12-14 MPG Highway and 10-12 MPG City and even lower on the trail is really starting to suck with the rising costs of crude oil....

So with all those items basically that only leaves me with toyota motors which make for an easy swap with the correct FACTORY bell-housing. Also its pretty cool to keep it all Toyota.

Toyota Motors

20R, 2.2L, 90 [email]HP@4800[/email], 122 [email]Ft-Lbs@2400[/email]
22R, 2.4L, 96 [email]HP@4800[/email], 129 [email]Ft-Lbs@2800[/email]
22RE, 2.4L, 112 [email]HP@4600[/email], 142 [email]Ft-Lbs@3400[/email]
22RTE, 2.4L, 135 [email]HP@4800[/email], 173 [email]Ft-Lbs@2800[/email], 6psi
20R/22R Hybrid, Estimated 135-155 HP depending on build
2RZFE, 2.4L, 142 [email]HP@5000[/email], 160 [email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/email]
3RZFE, 2.7L, 150 [email]HP@4800[/email], 177 [email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/email]
3VZ-E, 3.0L, 150 [email]HP@4800[/email], 180 [email]Ft-Lbs@3400[/email]
5VZ-FE,3.4L, 190 [email]HP@4800[/email], 220 [email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/email]
5M-GE, 2.7L, 143 [email]HP@5200[/email], 154 [email]Ft-Lbs@4400[/email]
7M-GE, 3.0L, 199 [email]HP@6000[/email], 188 [email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/email]
7M-GTE,3.0L, 232 [email]HP@5600[/email], 254 [email]Ft-Lbs@3200[/email], 5psi

So to narrow this list down first I will start with HP. the 22re stock puts out 112 HP. and I thought I rebuilt mine to the 140hp level but now I'm thinking maybe it was only around 125-130 hp level. Which for me is NOT enough.

* So that eliminates the 20R, 22R, 20/22RE hybrid

I also decided that I don't want a turbo. Just too much maintance and the possiblity of damage and expense to replace so that leaves me with these motors. Plus the fact of cool down time and I can't sem to leave anything stock which means I will never stop tweaking with it to make even more power which eventually just leads to carange on the trail. And I hate fixing stuff on the trail.

* So that eliminates the 22RTE, 7M-GTE

Then theres the ones I can't adapt to my W56 tranny easily.

* Those eliminate the 3VZ-E, 5VZ-FE

So heres whats left of the list, I left the 22RE for reference HP and Torque numbers.

22RE, 2.4L, 112 [email]HP@4600[/email], 142 [email]Ft-Lbs@3400[/email]
2RZFE, 2.4L, 142 [email]HP@5000[/email], 160 [email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/email]
3RZFE, 2.7L, 150 [email]HP@4800[/email], 177 [email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/email]
5M-GE, 2.7L, 143 [email]HP@5200[/email], 154 [email]Ft-Lbs@4400[/email]
7M-GE, 3.0L, 199 [email]HP@6000[/email], 188 [email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/email]

I just don't think the 3RZFE (34% more HP, 25% more Torque) is worth the trouble. And the 5M-GE has even less HP and Torque. So that basically leaves me with the 7M-GE. This motor would be an increase of 77% more HP and 32% more Torque. Should be more than enough for what I want/need. I also heard that most of these motors in the wrecking yards do have low mileage because people typically don't daily drive these vehicles and they wreck the cars them pretty quickly. Well after looking into a bit more, Yes, typically these motors do have lower mileage, but they are still hard to find because there is high demand for them. So when it comes to finding a motor, Its still down to luck.... unless you buy it from an importer like JDM. And then I've heard that the completeness of the motor can be a problem.

There is also the newer Supra motors JZ motor series which might be adaptable to the W56. Some poeple say its possible and others say its not.... but I know thats more horsepower than I want! Plus the cost of these motors are really pretty high.

1JZ-GE, 3.0L, 200 [email]HP@6000[/email], 185 [email]Ft-Lbs@4000[/email]
2JZ-GE, 3.0L, 225 [email]HP@6000[/email], 220 [email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/email]
2JZ-GTTE, 3.0L, 320 [email]HP@6000[/email], 315 [email]Ft-Lbs@3600[/email]

So after a bit of searching I did find that it looks like you don't have to cut out the hood latch in the core support to make this motor/radaitor fit, which I was let to believe that you had to do that to make this motor fit. So offically the 7M-GE is what I'm going to go with! Another benefit is on www.SupraCharged.com they have a wiring diagram and it looks pretty simple Plus Sky just got done installing his 7W-GE and hes just up the road from me! I've also now have had a chance to drive a Toyota with 36" Iroks's, 5.71 gears and a 7M-GE and really like what I felt!

So after a few phone calls and some trips to the wrecking yards I think I have found my Engine! Basically I just got VERY lucky on this...... one of my local yards just got a 89 Cressida in with 102,000 miles and it hasn't been processed. I'm going to go look at it at Lunch today and probably pay for the motor and everything else on my swap list! Below is my swap list that sI've accumulated thus far:

7M-GE (non-turbo) Parts List for installation into a 85 4Runner with a W56 Tranny

Used Parts
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* 7M-GE engine from a 89-92 Cressida or 87-93 Supra (prefer non-cali model) ~100K with good compression
* uncut motor harness for above car with ECU, coil/igniter, injector resistor, AFM, (hvac sensor?)
* Exhaust (exhaust manifold, 02 Sensor, Cat, Muffler?)
* (If motor is from a Cressida, then I will need to get an oil pan, pickup, dip stick from a Supra)
* 5M-GE upper motor mount brackets from an 81-88 Cressida or 81-87 Supra
* 5M/7M bellhousing, flywheel, clutch fork, slave cylinder from a '83-'92 non-turbo 5 speed supra
* Ford Taurus 3.8L 2 speed electric fan (also Mercury Sable) approx 16-18" diameter

New Parts
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* New Clutch Assembly (centerforce?)
* New Timing Belt
* New Hoses (Radiator & Vacumm)
* New Cap/Rotor/Plugs
* New Exhaust
* New Power Steering Lines (maybe)
* New Air filter (K&N filter charger)
* New Fluids

Existing Parts
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* Rework radiator inlet and outlet
* Reuse existing 22RE motor mounts
* Reuse W56 Tranny and Dual Ultimate T-Cases

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*...4RnrRick's list of actual motor swap costs...*
*.........Prices Include Shipping Costs..........*
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*.Descrpition..............................Price.* 
*------------------------------------------------*
*7M-GE engine 89 Cressida 153K w/ 90 day warranty*
*from local wrecking yard. Motor harness w/ ECU,.*
*coil/igniter, injector resistor, AFM, Exhaust ..*
*manifold, 02 Sensors, Oil pan, pickup, dip stick*
*Supra 7M 5MGE upper motor mount brackets, 5M/7M.*
*bellhousing, flywheel, clutch fork, slave cyl...*
*starter, and every else typically supplied with.*
*a motor swap............................$950.00.*
*................................................* 
*Motor credit for Bad Head Gasket.......($115.00)*
*................................................* 
*Radiator, new 1988 V6 3-core, 2" thick..$115.00.*
*14" Electric Fan, Hayden #3710..........$139.99.* 
*185F Thermostat Relay, Hayden #3652......$22.99.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 8761.................$17.92.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 8698.................$11.73.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 7775.................$12.16.*
*Radiator hose clamps......................$6.33.*
*Material for splicing Radiator hose.......$4.99.*
*................................................* 
*OEM Replacement Clutch Kit..............$150.00.*
*Resurface flywheel and exhaust manifold..$70.00.*
*Clutch Slave, 'Napa' #37606..............$30.90.*
*................................................* 
*Head Gasket, FelPro #9473PT.............$102.73.*
*Valve Cover Gasket Set, #ESP VS50303R....$21.14.*
*Front Crank &amp; Timing Gskt Set, #TCS45732.$24.28.*
*Rear Main Seal, Knecht's #ESP 228010.....$16.35.*
*Exhaust Gasket, Knecht's #ESP MS92327....$12.46.*
*Intake Gasket Set, Knecht's #ESP S93544..$11.72.*
*Cam Shaft Seal Set , #ESP45424...........$11.03.*
*Oil Pan Gasket, Knecht's #OS 3435........$10.58.*
*Bulk Gasket material......................$2.99.*
*................................................*
*Exhaust Downpipe Donuts, Napa F-14592.....$6.28.*
*2 1/4" Exhaust connector for collector....$3.07.*
*Professional Exhaust with muffler.......$300.00.* 
*................................................*
*Spark Plug Wires, Knecht's #ESP 09216....$63.88.*
*Distibutor Cap, Knecht's #KEM W3082......$10.79.*
*Spark Plugs, Knecht's #NGK 2241 Qty(6)....$9.54.*
*Rotor, Knecht's #ESP JR120T...............$5.08.*
*................................................* 
*Timing Belt, Knecht's #CLO B126..........$18.48.*
*Alternator Belt, Knecht's #GDY 510K5.....$12.59.*
*Power Steering Belt, Knecht's #GDY 350K4..$7.20.*
*................................................*
*1989 Supra 7M-GE oil pump, new (ebay)....$85.25.*
*1989 Supra oil pump hardline.............$39.61.*
*1989 Supra oil pump ball sleeve &amp; gasket..$6.11.*
*Fram Sure Oil Drain Plug, 18mm x 1.5.....$15.69.* 
*................................................*
*Antifreeze................................$9.99.*
*10W-30 oil...............................$10.20.*
*Dot 3 brake/clucth fluid..................$3.40.*
*Power Steering Fluid......................$2.99.*
*................................................* 
*Used 210 York from Volvo (V-Belt)........$30.00.*
*New 6 gr pulley&amp;clutch, Kenworth KA1480..$69.95.*
*................................................* 
*Red Top Optima Battery...................$93.00.*
*Battery tray &amp; hold downs................$11.98.*
*Battery marine terminals..................$1.98.*
*Battery isolator, 95 amp.................$39.99.*
*6 Amp Circuit Breaker.....................$4.77.*
*(6) Fuse holder, 'Accele' #5415..........$14.95.*
*Battery Wire Lugs.........................$1.98.*
*Wire loom, black split - 3 sizes.........$15.96.*
*Micro Potentiometer 4.7K, RS #271-0281....$1.19.*
*Label Maker..............................$24.96.* 
*................................................*
*Vacuum Hose...............................$1.50.*
*Fuel line and hose clamps.................$9.94.*
*Power Steering Hose......................$17.52.*
*................................................*
*Engine Paint, Semi Gloss Black............$4.60.*
*AntiSeize.................................$4.59.* 
*Ultra Black RTV, Permitex.................$3.99.*
*Blue Shop Towels, (3 rolls)...............$6.00.*
*Bulk Gasket material......................$2.99.*
*................................................*
*Metric Hardware..........................$23.56.*
*Misc Steel from metal recycler...........$17.15.*
*Chain for motor mounts, 5/16".............$3.50.*
*................................................* 
*Engine Repair Manual CD 7MGE/7MGTE, ebay.$18.12.*
*Chiltons Repair Manual for 1989 Cressida.$17.95.*
*Borrowed 1989 Supra Electrical FSM on CD..FREE..*
*Borrowed 1991 Supra Electrical FSM........FREE..*
*Borrowed 1991 Cressida Electrical FSM.....FREE..*
*................................................* 
*Borrowed Engine Stand and Hoist...........FREE..*
*................................................* 
*................................................* 
*................................................*
*................................................*
*Sold, Thorley Header with O2 Sensor....($125.00)*
*Sold, Short Block W/ Timing set &amp; pan..($150.00)*
*Sold, Head, DOA 270 Cam, LCE Adjust timing gear.*
*&amp; LCE Red Powder coat valve cover......($150.00)*
*................................................*
*Pending, EFI Conversion Parts..........($225.00)* 
*................................................* 
*------------------------------------------------*
*Total Dollars Spent as of 7-8-2005......$2032.56*
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Last edited by kewlynx; 12/03/05 07:35 AM.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611497 06/06/05 06:24 PM

Joined: May 2002

Posts: 259

Mudrunner

Some links of interest that I've found so far...
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http://www.supracharged.com/4runner/7mswap.shtml
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/supra/index.htm
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4043286 <-- ford taurus fan wiring

Wiring info from SupraCharged.com
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The C1 connector(yellow connector near igniter) has 2 wires that you will use if you use the EFI main relay in conjuntion with the circuit opening relay. Wires that you may need from this connector:

Black/Orange - (M-REL on ECU, not required) - Used as the activating power to the EFI Main Relay

Black/Yellow - (BATT on ECU, required) - constant power, use a 7.5 amp FUSE

EFI Main Relay - In the Supra turbo and other Toyota Turbo vehicles, the ECU conrols the EFI Main(M-REL off the
ECU),. In Toyota non-turbo cars and trucks, the EFI Main is controled by the ignition switch. You don't have to change this, as I have not seen any problems running it this way, unless you are picky and want to have it exactly the same as the turbo configuration.

If you do want to run it like the 7MGTE, you will have to cut the relay coil power wire that goes into the EFI
main. The location of the EFI main will vary depending on the year of your vehicle. You will need connect the
M-REL wire from the C1 connector, and use it to power your factory EFI main. Again, this will be the Black/Orange wire at the C1 connector. The output of the EFI main should then supply the power to the Circuit Opening Relay.

The Circuit Opening Relay(COR) is what supplies power to the fuel pump. The power that is sent to the COR then to the fuel pump comes from the EFI Main Relay, so the EFI main must be activated before power can be supplied to the COR. The COR has a dual coil for activation, one of the relay coils can be activated by the starter. This is done by supplying power from the starter wire to the relay coil which has a constant ground. That wire is a small guage black wire with blue stripe coming from the large yellow connector (B1) by the ECU. Just tie this wire into your starter wire. The other coil is activated by the Fuel Control, or FC (B1 connector) from the ECU. The ECU sends a ground signal to the COR, and if relay has power from the EFI main relay(discussed earlier), then the COR will supply power to the fuel pump, or the Fuel Pump Control Relay if you wish to use it. If you are running a non-turbo engine, the COR is controled by the green wire going into the AFM, not the ECU. You can splice into that green wire and tie that into the green wire on your project vehicles AFM connector. That will take care of
the pump problem.

Fuel Pump Control Relay(FPCR) - (Not Required)- Once power is able to pass through the COR, there is then a FPCR.

This is just a resister to change the voltage to the fuel pump. I have run many swap without this without any problems or any changes in gas mileage. This recieves power from the COR for both the contact switch, and the relay coil. The ground is controled by the FP (B1 connector) signal coming from the ECU.

Both the FPCR and COR are not needed to make this run properly, but you will need to find an alternate way to control the fuel pump. At first I just had mine connected to the ignition switch. Problem with that, is your fuel pump is always if your ignition is on(like if you get in a wreck, you pump will keep pumping fuel....not good).

Summary
In short, if all that was confusing, the only thing you really need to do on the C1 connector is hook the black/yellow wire to constant power. Then for the fuel pump control, hook the green wire up the the FC from the ECU. The 7MGE(non-turbo), does not have a FC from the ECU, instead you will splice the green wire into the 7M engine harness near the 7M AFM connector. I hope after all this, you aren't confused too much.

The B1 connector, or "THE BIG YELLOW CONNECTOR, near the ECU" There are 5 wires you will use grom this connector:

BLACK/WHITE - Large 10 guage Black with a white stripe - Starter (depending on year, AT/MT, this could have a white or blue stripe)

Black/orange - Large 10 or 12 guage black with a orange stripe - Needs switched power. This runs directly from the ignition switch, and powers your injectors, coil, and igniter.

Black/orange - Small 16 guage black with orange stripe. This also needs switched power. This could be tied into the Large black/orage wire.

Green - (FC on ECU) - Green wire - This controls ground the Circuit Opening Relay

yellow - (FP on ECU) - Yellow wire - NOT NEEDED! this is used to reduce the voltage on the fuel pump, but is not
neccesary.

Starter
This is the wire that goes to the starter solenoid. It is located in the center part of the connector. In a
manual, this will travel from the ignition switch, through the clutch switch, through the starter relay, then
through this connector. Automatics are a little more difficult. If you do have an auto wiring harness, the starter wire run through the engine harness, to the tranny harness under the intake manifold. You will need to cut and splice the wires togother in order to complete the loop to feed power to the starter solenoid. The auto will usually use a Black/White wire, and the manual will use a Black/Blue wire. In some vehicles such as the 85-older supra's, and I have noticed older model pickups, that this wire goes through tho body harness. If this is the case, you will have to figure out where that is, splice into it, and run it to this connector. On newer vehicles the starter will run through the engine harness.

Accessory Power
This is a large black wire with an orange stripe. Along with the starter, these are the two center wires in this
connector. You have to have switched power to this wire in order to supply power to your injectors, coil, and igniter. This usually comes through the ignition, and requires at least 15 amps. In other words, don't use the
power from your radio.

Circuit Opening Relay(Ground)
The green wire coming from the FC signal from the ECU, controls the ground on the Circuit Opening Relay. As long as there is power to this relay(which is discussed on the C1 connector), power will then travel to the fuel pump, or Fuel Pump Control Relay. This allows your fuel pump only to turn on when the engine is running. When the engine stops running, the ECU will cut the ground signal to this wire, which will turn off the Circuit Opening Relay, and no longer supply power to the fuel pump.

Fuel Pump Control Relay(Ground)- This is for the resister, and is not needed This yellow wire from the FP signal on the ECU, is used for a dual speed fuel pump setting. The ECU will supply a ground to the Fuel Pump Control Relay, which will then change the resistance on the power going to the fuel pump.

The relay and resistor is located on the passenger side strut tower. I have run many swaps without this component, and have not seen any impact on fuel economy or peformance.

The M1 connector or "Small Yellow Connector" There are 5 wires you need from this connector:

Yellow/Black - yellow with a black stripe - oil pressure for guage and ECU

Yellow/Green - Yellow with a green stripe - Water temp for guage

Pink - Pink Wire - speed sensor from Combonation Meter.

Green/Gray - Green with gray stripe - Engine light black - Tach (tach mod may be required) Click here for details for 3VZE-7MGTE mod.

Water Temp
The water temp wire, yellow with black stripe is used for your guage only. This is not the temp sensor used for your ECU, so if you get a water temp error on your codes, this is not where you want to look to solve your problem. All toyota vehicles use this color wire for the temp guage, so your swap vehicle will have the same color wire.

Oil Pressure
The same is also true with the Oil Pressure wire. This comes from the oil pressure sending unit and will always
be the same color. Yellow with black stripe. On the 7M, this also feeds into the ECU. I am not really sure why
the ECU needs to know the oil pressure, as I have found it to have no impact on the way the engine runs whether or not it is hooked up to the ECU. In fact, your guage might not even work if it runs through the ECU. You also may need to use your Oil sending unit from your old motor. They are calibrated for the guage on your vehicle. These are pretty easy to change with a 14mm open end wrench, or a very large socket.

Engine Light
The Engine light requires a ground signal from the ECU. This is a black wire. Simple as that. Check your vehicles wiring diagram to figure out what what that is. The 7M uses the black wire, but on other vehicles, I have seen any different colors used. With the engine light, you can run your diagnostic codes, or engine codes by connecting TE and E1 in your "Check Connector" near the igniter. When you turn your ignition on, your light will flash codes. Here is a link for your Diagnostic Codes

Speed Sensor
The Speed Sensor wire, green with gray strip, comes from the Spedometer from your instrument cluster. This is how the ECU knows how fast your are going. I have noted, that connecting this wire will help with stalling. The wire etween the M1 connector and the ECU is pink, but the wire between the M1 connector and the Spedometer could be a range of colors. Refer to your vehicles electrical schematic to figure this out(EFI ONLY).

Tachometer
The Tach wire, black wire, does NOT come from the ECU, and it does NOT go to the ECU. A signal wire goes directly
from the igniter to your tach guage. You can also test this signal from the IG- terminal in the "Check Connector" near the igniter. And again, here is a link for the 3VZE tach mod.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611498 06/06/05 09:00 PM

Joined: May 2002

Posts: 259

Mudrunner

I just added to the very bottom of my first post a list of actual costs for thsi project. I will try to keep it up to date. First entry is the motor and all the associated used parts for the motor swap. at lunch today I just made the first major purchase of $950.........

Here is some more info about the known 7M head gasket failures. The Toyota factory spec for 7MGE & 7MGTE is 78 N-m (58 ft-lb). Well this is not enough..... Many of these engine owners have torqued to a 20% higher valve with much success. So retorquing the head bolts is a common pratice for these engines to 97 N-m (72 ft-lb). Also when retorquing the head - DO NOT LOOSEN the head bolts first, just torque them down tighter....

Here is some good info about the procedure......
http://www.supras.nl/view.php?page=maintenanceRetorque.htm

Last edited by 4RnrRick; 06/06/05 09:17 PM.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611499 06/08/05 04:24 PM

Joined: May 2002

Posts: 259

Mudrunner

Well I purchased the engine and other components on Monday from a local wrecking yard. Well the engine and other components, that I needed were still in the car(s). They told me that Wednesday (TODAY) that I might be able to pick everything up. I will know more later after I give them a call. Hopefully I can get everything today!

Unfortionately, I was not able to see the engine or even the car that its being pulled from since it was at another yard getting ready to be processed. So that means I can't get any pictures of the 7M-GE in the donor Cressida. to see how everything is routed in stock form.

Heres some more tech....

I've been researching radiators.
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I'm wanting to keep the factory hood latch so I was thinking about using a factory toyota 3 core radiator with a taurus fan mounted in front of it for my 85 4Runner. I asked my local NAPA the specs on the '87 22RTE or '88 3vze since they are both 3 core radiators. They said the 22RTE was 1 1/4" thick where the 3vze was 2" thick but they are both 3 core....

Here is the radiator that I curent have in my '85 4runner. Whe I replaced it 3years ago I should of bought a 3-core....
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Modine Radiator
Napa #MO945
Price: $ 152.00
Attributes: Radiator
Make: Toyota
Core Size: 15 3/4'' x 20 3/4'' x 1 1/4'' (2 Row)
Inlet Header Size: 1 1/2'' x 20 3/4''
Outlet Header Size: 1 1/2'' x 20 3/4''
Inlet Connector Size: 1 3/8'' Right
Outlet Connector Size: 1 3/8'' Left
Type of Mount: Double Flange
Oil Cooler: 14 3/8'' w/ Adaptors
Comments: Smaller fillerneck cap
Engine=2.4 L 2366 CC L4 22R SOHC
Engine=2.4 L 2366 CC L4 22REC

These are the ones that I'm thinking about getting
that should bolt into my '85 4Runner.
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Power Flow Radiators Radiator
Napa #PFR192272
Price: $ 176.00
Attributes: Radiator
Make: Toyota
Core Size: 19 1/8'' x 20 3/4'' x 2'' - 3 Row
Inlet Header Size: 2 1/8'' x 20 1/2''
Outlet Header Size: 2 1/8'' x 20 1/2''
Inlet Connector Size: 1 3/8''
Outlet Connector Size: 1 3/8''
Type of Mount: Front Flange Mount
Oil Cooler: 5/8/14
Engine=3.0 L 2958 CC V6 3VZE SOHC

Power Flow Radiators Radiator
Napa #PFR190945
Price: $ 121.00
Attributes: Radiator
Make: Toyota
Core Size: 15 3/4'' x 20 3/4'' x 1 1/4'' - 3 Row
Inlet Header Size: 1 9/16'' x 20 3/4''
Outlet Header Size: 1 9/16'' x 20 3/4''
Inlet Connector Size: 1 3/8''
Outlet Connector Size: 1 3/8''
Type of Mount: Front Flange Mount
Oil Cooler: 10 7/8''
Engine=2.4 L 2366 CC L4 22R SOHC
Engine=2.4 L 2366 CC L4 22REC
Engine=2.4 L 2366 CC L4 22RTEC
Engine=2.4 L 2446 CC L4 2LT Diesel

Right now I'm leaning towrad the 2" thick V6 one. But I'm still unsure if I can get a 2" thick radiator in there with the factory hood latch, but I'm hoping I can! I'm still researching this but thats where I'm headed so far!

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As for a clutch, this is what I'm thinking of using....

I'm leaning toward a Dual Friction Centerforce clutch:

http://www.dualfriction.com/product...icationid=63113
1989 TOYOTA SUPRA L6 3.0L 2954cc, 7MGE ENG. NON-TURBO 5 SPD.
Part Number: DF522018, Your Total: $277.48

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611500 06/08/05 06:24 PM

Joined: May 2002

Posts: 259

Mudrunner

Well no motor today..... Maybe tomorrow since they won't be getting the bellhousing stuff I need until then.

Just found a huge resource of 7M info!
http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/techtips.html

Technical Library:

TSRM MKII Supra
TSRM MKIII Supra
EPC MKIII Supra(NATO)
EPC MKIII Supra (Non-NATO)
TEWD MKIII Supra
Toyota Technical Articles
Physics of Racing Series
Supra Statistics
Gasket Digital Library

Diagnosis:

Engine Error Codes
Automatic Transmission Error Codes
ABS Error Codes
Vacuum Gauge Readings
Spark Plug Condition
AC Diagnosis (PDF)
Blown Head Gasket FAQ
Oil Analysis

General Maintenance:

New Supra Owner FAQ
Head Swap Pictorial
BOV Replacement
Oil Filter Report
Hood Strut Replacement
Setting the Timing
Replacing the Brake Pads
Bleeding the Brakes
Changing Fan Belts
Vacuum Hose Replacement
Head Coolant Plug Leak
R134a Retrofit
Headbolt Retorque
Coolant Flush
Changing Spark Plugs
Compression Testing
Antenna Replacement
Oil Cooler Flush
A/T Shifter Bushings
A/T Oil Filter Replace
Blower Speed Fix
SwayBay Install
Upper A-Arm Bushings

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611501 06/10/05 01:34 AM

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Mudrunner

I just purchased a Ceramic Clutch with 1200 lbs pressure plate from Chris G. @ Marlin Crawler. I wasn't totally sure which direction I wanted to go here. Standard OEM clutches are a more easily slipped, but can glaze over. Where a Ceramic is stickyer but can handle more abuse. Also the standard pressure plate is 1200 lbs. For this application Marlin didn't have any other options, but I've seen 1600 lbs and 3200 lbs by other vendors. I choose to go with a standard 1200 lbs pressure plate to hopefully make the ceramic a bit easier to slip.

Also the wrecking yard still hasn't got the motor pulled from the car, so it will be atleast another day on that. Hopefully I can get it by the weekend....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611502 06/10/05 05:29 AM

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Mudrunner

Well its time for some before pictures.....

Heres what the engine bay looks like now..

[Linked Image]

And some general dimensions with the 22RE...

[Linked Image]

25" to the bottom of the front cross member
23" to the bottom of the W56 Bellhousing
20 1/2" to the bottom of the 22re oil pan
19 3/4" to the bottom of Sky's Crossmember
22 1/2" to bottom of Transfer Case Parking Brake Mount

Last edited by 4RnrRick; 06/10/05 07:01 PM.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: 4RnrRick] #611503 06/10/05 06:10 AM

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: azrain] #611504 06/10/05 03:48 PM

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Mudrunner

Thanks for the Compliments... Also before anyone asks, YES, thats pvc and duct tape!

I use to have a piece of 3" aluminum tubing bent to fit and silicon hose couplings (used for turbos) in there but when I did my transfercase lift, thus tilting the back of the motor up and forcing the front of the motor down. It cause major clearance issues between the intake tube and the radiator hose, so this was my temperary fix. I was also planning on running dual batteries under the hood and relocating everythign on the right side to make it fit. Well I just never got around to doing that. And now I don't worry about it....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611505 06/10/05 06:39 PM

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Boston

Greg55_99

Getting the Wheeling Fever

I think you're doing an A1 job! I keep pointing out that if the goal is to keep the W series trans, there are a great many other engine options available. With a $10 Jeep bellhousing and a Camaro V6 flywheel, you can bolt in a whole bevy of GM 60 degree engines. A 3.4L GM crate motor puts out 160HP and 194Ft/lbs torque. Easily upgradable. Don't forget the DOHC 3.4L V6 and the Shortstar V6. Hey, I'm a cheapskate at heart.

Greg

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: Greg55_99] #611506 06/10/05 08:50 PM

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Mudrunner

Well I just picked up the Chilton Service manual. for some reason they put 1983-1990 Cressida's and Toyota Vans in the same book. What a freak'n nightmare. This book is real confusing to me! I've always stayed away from Chiltons because I like the layout of Haynes book better and from my experience the Haynes has more information. But unfortionately Haynes does not even make a book for the 1989 Cressida which is what my motor is coming out of. So I was stuck gettign the Chiltons......

So I just wanted to openly complain that this Chilton book sucks! I'm really tempted to go buy a Cressida Factory Serive Manual from Toyota now!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611507 06/11/05 07:09 AM

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Mudrunner

Got the engine today! You guys said you wanted to see a 7M-GE in my first gen xtra cab right......

[Linked Image]

I also weighed it using some truck scales that are close to the house. Everything you see in the pictures below weighed 420 lbs +/- 20 lbs ! So thats a COMPLETE 7M-GE with all the accesories including AC, PS , radiator and fan. a bit heavier than I expected but it is a straight six.

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611508 06/11/05 07:09 AM

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Mudrunner

So I got the motor and everything you see in these pictures for $950. I think I got a pretty good deal but the wrecking yard did tell me that the motor had 102K when in actuality the cluster said 153K!! Unfortionately the reciept does not mention the miles other than a disclamier saying that they can not prove mileage. OH well, at least its from a Cressida so its probably a lot less abused than a Supra motor.

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611509 06/12/05 12:08 AM

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Mudrunner

Got a Ford Taurus 3.8L 2 spd Electric fan from wrecking yard today for $20.

[Linked Image]

I also got these parts cleaned up! They had a pretty thick coat of goo all over them!

[Linked Image]

I also spend a bunch of money at the auto store for gaskets and tune up items. I decided to spend the time and money to reseal the engine because I HATE leaks and I have no idea on how sealed this engine really is. I also spent the extra money for a nicer headgasket. So a new grand total spent so far of $1600.65

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611510 06/12/05 04:52 AM

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Mudrunner

Heres some interesting tech I just figured out that I didn't know....

The 7M motor mounts are actually bolted to the block one set of holes farther forward then the 5M mounts. I never really noticed it until I was trying to put the 5M mounts on the 7M. So here is a good comparision shot of the mount location.

[Linked Image]

You can also see that the 5M and 7M mounts are totally different.

[Linked Image]

Here you can see that I got all the accesories stripped off the motor now. (Alternator, AC pump, PS pump)

[Linked Image]

And here is what it looks like under the valve covers. Not too bad, just looks like some oil staining to me and very little sludge build up.

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611511 06/13/05 04:41 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I got quite a bit done today.... Got it stripped down to a short block.

[Linked Image]

Heres the new pile of parts on the garage floor.

[Linked Image]

Heres what the 7M-GE 24 valve head looks like.

[Linked Image]

Its a good thing I pulled the head, Look at #6 cylinder...

[Linked Image]

Looks like a blown head gasket to me!!!! I'm going to have to talk to the wrecking yard now!

[Linked Image]

Then I spent a considerable amount of time infront of the parts washer and bead blaster! Probably about 4 hours worth.....

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611512 06/14/05 01:46 AM

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I have to say, i'm not that great with engines, but my gosh, you seem to be doing any awsome job...I hope one day i will do the same thing.

Keep up the posts please, your doing an amazing job <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611513 06/14/05 06:50 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I talked to the wrecking yard today about the #6 cylinder. They basically said that I voided the warranty when I starting tearing things apart.... but after they reviewed a few pictures I sent them of the head gasket, they agreed to pay for a new gasket. The where shocked to see the pictures becasue the engine registered 190-200 psi on the compression test. But I had already purchased a new gasket when I bought my other gaskets for the reseal. So either they buy new a gasket (forcing me to return the one I special ordered) or I get store credit for the value of a head gasket based on there return policy... So since I wanted a 3-core, 2" thick V6 radiator for this swap I got one from them and they just called it even. (o I got a $115 credit) So basically I got a free new radiator from discovering the bad head gasket. The new radiator should be in on Wednesday.

I also took the flywheel and exhaust manifold down to the machine shop to be resurfaced. I should get that back tomorrow since they forgot about it today.....Maybe I can get them to drop the price since they forgot about it. (Can't hurt to ask)

I also dug out my 210 York that I removed from the 2wd project. But unfortionately it has a V-belt pulley. I just bought one from my local wrecking yard for $35 for a Buddy so I added that to the list as a cost even though I already had it since its still worth that. But the 7M's need a serpentine belt... So I'm also getting a 6 groove serpentine belt pulley for the York.

YORK/TECUMSEH 6 GR. 5-7/8 " DIA. PULLEY
Part Number: 1687780C92 KA1480 for $83 + $10 core
From the local Kenworth dealer....

The rest of the stuff I ordered from knechts (tune up and gaskets) is now in, so I have to pick that stuff up tomorrow also.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611514 06/14/05 06:57 AM

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Mudrunner

I also forgot to mention that the wrecking yard is still working on getting me a 7M Supra Oil Pan, Pickup Tube, Dip Stick, Dipstick Tube since that is a center sump oil pan and the 7M Cressida one I have now is a front sump.... Toyota never made a rear sump! And since my 4runner has very little lift and crossover, I know I will have problems with a front sump.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611515 06/14/05 02:56 PM

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Mudrunner

Well I decided to work on it some this morning before I go to work so I started cleaning the top of the block and the carbon off the pistons. Ignore the oil in the cylinders, that was another oops on my part....... Wasn't too bad but it takes a long time to try to keep the crap out of the rings. I was using a razor blade and a vaccuum. I would srtap a little, then I would vacuum, scrap, vacuum, etc.....

I got half of it done!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap *DELETED* [Re: 4RnrRick] #611516 06/15/05 01:47 AM

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: kewlynx] #611517 06/15/05 08:06 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I got a little done tonight, I got the rest of the top of the block cleaned and the carbon knocked off the pistons. The top of the block is also flat. I also quickly checked the head and that too looks within spec. But I will know more when I get it cleaned.

[Linked Image]

I also got the flywheel and exhaust back from the machine shop today and up a bunch of Fel-Pro gaskets that I ordered through Knecht's.

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611518 06/15/05 11:36 PM

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Mudrunner

Found some good info here that I needed for re-assembly the 7MGE / 7M-GE, so I thought I you post some of the info from that site here.

Some cylinder head tech:
[Linked Image]

Some cylinder/engine block tech:
[Linked Image]

Some timing belt tech:
[Linked Image]

Some timing cover tech:
[Linked Image]

Some oil pump and pan tech:
[Linked Image]

Some flatness deck tech:
[Linked Image]

Some flywheel tech:
[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611519 06/16/05 08:03 AM

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Mudrunner

Heres the link for the online FSM that I got those pages from since I forgot to add it above:
http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/index.html

I got the deck surface of the head cleaned and check it for flatness. Worst spot was at .003" and the toyota max is .004". Also the Block was .002" and the max spec is .002". And both of those spots were not where the oringal head gasket was damaged on #6. So it will be just fine especially since I'm torquing everything to 72 ft-lbs. (Which is 20% more than Toyota recommends because 58 ft-lbs just isn't enough for these engines.) Remember guys that this is just suppose to be a reseal and gasket - NOT a full blown rebuild. And since everything is within spec there is no reason for me to go any further into it. Plus I don't have the cash to do that.

I also got the valleys between the valve covers thouroughly cleaned. On this engine thats where the spark plugs go. When I got the motor it had a good inch thick of "chocolate pudding" crap in each valley from where they pressure washed the engine and thats where all the water and oil crap ended up. What a mess that was..... I don't have a before picture - sorry.

[Linked Image]

Then I got the rest of the block cleaned up and painted. I just used some semi gloss black engine paint to make it all one color and with it being black I didn't have to get every nook and cranny perfectly clean. Turned out pretty good.

[Linked Image]

Then I installed the timing belt case, the water pump, crank timing sprocket and oil pump sprocket.

[Linked Image]

Here is a close up picture of the Fel-Pro gasket that I installed.

[Linked Image]

And this is what it looks like now. I was real careful on getting the head on there right. I cleaned and lubed all the head bolts and washers with a light coat of engine oil as per my service manual recommened. Then I really took my time on the torqueing process. First I ran them all down hand tight, then hand tight with a small rachet, Then 30 ft lbs on the torque wrench, Then 40, 50, 60, & finally 72 ft-lbs. Then I ran around them all one more time at 72 to make sure none of them would move.

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611520 06/16/05 11:03 AM

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4mudder

Wheeler

Killer job it looks awesome keep the posts coming

89 K5 Blazer,TBI 350, 700R4, 6" lift, 40" groundhawgs,3/4 ton 14 bolt rear, 3/4 ton 10 bolt front, 4.88:1 Gears

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4mudder] #611521 06/17/05 07:31 AM

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Mudrunner

Got a present from MarlinCrawler today..... Its a 1200 lb pressure plate, ceramic clutch, throwout bearing and pilot bearing. Thanks guys...... I'm not sure if the ceramic clutch is the right application for my driving style but we will see. Hopefully its just sticky enough to hook up and yet with the 1200 lb pressure plate weak enough to let me slip it when I need to.

[Linked Image]

I didn't get much done tonight since life got in the way.... (Selling the 2wd first gen xtra cab, balancing the check book, moving money around in the banks, doing the bills, going shopping, etc...) but what I did work on was getting the intake side of the head thoroughly cleaned.... Check out the top surface of the intake ports.

[Linked Image]

Now the bottom surface of the intake ports. that crap was hard to get off. but I did it.

[Linked Image]

And now the intake side is nice and pretty...incuding around the injectors!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611522 06/18/05 08:10 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I took today off from work to work on the motor and to do parts runs.... Well it didn't quite work out as planned since I spent 4 hours running around!!!!

But I did get the front of the engine cleaned up.

[Linked Image]

Installed the timing belt.

[Linked Image]

Picked up my new 1988 V6 radiator which is 3 core and 2" thick.

[Linked Image]

And returned the motor mounts that the wrecking yard gave me for some 'REAL' 5M-GE mounts. I (and they) had no idea what they gave me before but they where wrong for this conversion. I still find it odd that they bolted up to the block. Anyways this is what the 5M-GE mounts are suppose to look like to make it possible to bolt this motor directly into the truck/4runner 4 cylinder frames.

[Linked Image]

Then I basically finished assembling the rest of it. The only main parts that are missing is the plenum, throttle body and the exhaust. I'm getting closer to the point where I will actually start working on the 4runner!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611523 06/19/05 07:37 AM

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Mudrunner

I got the exhaust side of the head all cleaned and ready for the manifold. But I can't put the exhuast on until I get the Supra oil pan, pickup tube, dip stick tube and dip stick installed which the wrecking yard is still having a hard time getting a hold of.

[Linked Image]

I also got the intake plenum installed.

[Linked Image]

I also got all the rest of the other little stuff taken care of so now its time to start on the runner.

[Linked Image]

But before I started tearinginto the 4runner I decided to get some base line test for its performance.

Test #1
0-40 MPH on flat ground
10.5 second average (2 runs)

Test #2
0-60 MPH on flat ground
23 second average (3 runs)

Test #3
Hillside Drive - mild hill close to the house
Top speed at crest was 48 MPH in 3rd gear

Test #4
Sunset Drive - really steep hill close to the house
Top speed at crest was 31 MPH in 2nd gear

So those should give me some good performance numbers to compare to after I get the new motor installed. I also weighed it at the truck stop and with me in the 4runner it weighed 4500 lbs +/- 10 lbs with an empty gas tank. and just for reference thats with my built 22RE, W56, Dual cases, 1/4" thick drivelines, 5.29 gears, 36" Bias ply IROKS at 15 psi.

I also then did a very thorough compresion test since this motor is up for sale!

#1 Cylinder, 122 PSI dry, 148 PSI wet (26 psi increase)
#2 Cylinder, 133 PSI dry, 174 PSI wet (41 psi increase)
#3 Cylinder, 158 PSI dry, 184 PSI wet (26 psi increase)
#4 Cylinder, 156 PSI dry, 175 PSI wet (19 psi increase)

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611524 06/19/05 07:37 AM

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Mudrunner

Then Chris and Pete came over to help me pull the motor out of the 4runner. (They just got done pulling Chris' motor at Petes house since he spun 2 rod bearings and was now looking for a good long block.) Thanks Guys for all the help!

[Linked Image]

Just a silly comparision shot ...

[Linked Image]

We stripped it down to the block and Chris decided he wanted the block so we stuck it in a rubber maid container.

[Linked Image]

So we could put it in the back seat of my car to get it over to Petes house. Looks like the car is a little pisse off with it in the back seat....... Pete also had his eyes on my thorley head, so he bought that from me.

[Linked Image]

And now this is what the 4runner looks like!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611525 06/20/05 10:59 PM

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Mudrunner

Well I took Fathers Day off from the project to go compete at a RC Rock Crawling Comp..... I had a great time plus I got 1st place in the Unlimited Class with my Clod and 2nd place in the 2.2 Class with "The Wife's" RC which really locks in my position for 1st place in the big truck for the championship points....

Heres some pictures (so far) and info about the event if you guys are interested. http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9725

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611526 06/21/05 07:30 AM

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Mudrunner

Heres some pictures of the two bell housings side by side. This W58 bell housing is from a 87 Supra non turbo 5 speed. The W56 is from my 85 22RE 5 speed 4Runner.

[Linked Image]

For the clutch line I just cut the line and re-double flared it.

[Linked Image]

Then I re-used the factory steel and rubber line combo that the W56 used. The feet on the clutch slaves are different so you need to make sure you get the one for your new bell housing.

[Linked Image]

For the throttle cable I removed the one for the 22RE since its like 2 feet too long and installed the one from the donor cressida. This is basically a bolt -in part..... just need to find some longer bolts and some large washers. The only kicker here is that I heard you need to install it from the inside of the cab to make it work. So thats what I did.

[Linked Image]

I also cleaned up the engine bay a bit. Just a quick wipe down is fine for me......

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611527 06/21/05 06:24 PM

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Mudrunner

Okay just talked to the Salesman on the wrecking yard about the 7M Supra oil pan, pickup, dip stick and dip stick tube that they still owe me......

I guess they got the oil pan in that I need but it doesn't have anything else with it. So they shipped it back and ordered another one from another wrecking yard. Well that wrecking yard finally shipped it and the same thing happened AGAIN!!! He thinks they are just pulling the pan off the shelf and shipping it and not reading the rest of the PO.....

So he has now found one off a motor out of Washington and its getting
overnighted to him with everything included. So hopefully I will have that tomorrow. I can't go any farther in my swap until I get the correct oil pan, so I can drop the motor into the 4runner and start working on fitment issues. If I don't get the oil pan soon, there is no way I can make my dealine for making to the 'Con over 4th of July weekend. Heck tonight I think I'm going to have to work on the wiring without the motor even being in the rig!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611528 06/22/05 04:06 PM

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Mudrunner

Well I didn't get much done last night....

The easy thing I did was I got the fuel line extended using some fuel line hose and hose clamps. I know its not pretty but it should work. Hopefully later on I will be able to find a company that can make me a nice line for it.

[Linked Image]

Then I started trying to tackle the wiring!! What a nightmare. I'm no wiz when it comes to wiring but I do feel comfortable doing it. The main problems I'm having is that all the info I've found on the web doing this swap refers to a donor Supra vehicle where I'm using a Cressida as the donor. So with the great knowledge of toyota, ALL the main connectors that everyone refers to are totally different!!! Different color, Different shape, different number of conductors, etc.... Plus my donor vehicle is a 1989 and the FSM's I'm borrwing is for a 1991 cressida and the CD I got off ebay is for a 1989 Supra. And the chiltons I have just SUCKS!!! I think, I've figured out the main differences but I still feel LOST!!!!!

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So basically all I did was just start tracing and labeling all the plugs on the harness to figure out what goes where. Plus that will also hopefully help me out on figureing out what I can cut out of the harness. Then I found what I believe are the main plugs to splice everything into my 4runner harness and now I'm trying to identify what each wire does.....

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Hopefully my oil pan comes in today so when I go to pick that up and can stop off at Sky's shop to see exactly what they did on their project 4Runner.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611529 06/22/05 06:19 PM

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Mudrunner

Let me explain some of my confusion here about teh wiring harness so you can see what I'm facing and hopefully someone that has does the swap with a Cressida harness can chime in and help me out.....

Please remember that the info below is from what I remember from dealing with it from about 6:00pm until 12:30am last night... So its probably close but don't take it as the truth if I called somethign wrong or didn't remember the exact number of wire in a plug.

See for a Supra swap you have three main connectors. C1, B1 and M1. C1 is suppose to have 5 wires and is next to the plenum. B1 has like 22 wires and is next to the ECU and M1 has like 6 wires and is next to the ECU. That is for the Supra harness. The cressida is different! the connector next to the plenum is B1 and has 3 wires. then the large plug that is suppose too have 22 wire next to the ECU is now actually two plugs B2 (12 wires) & B3 (10 wires) on the cressida harness. and the supra M1 plug on the cressida is called C1. Also note that these connectors are different shapes from teh cressida harness to teh supra harness.

So you can se how this is confusing.... not only did the names and shapes of the plugs change but a couple of them just switched names.....

Supra(C1) = Cressida(B1)
Supra(B1) = Cressida(B2 & B3)
Supra(M1) = Cressida(C1)

So after I figured that out then I looked at my supra info and compared a specific wire in the supra info to my cressida info for the symiliar plug and then seen if I could find that wire on my harness. in doing this I started to understand how to read the schematics quicker and easier. also in this process I had to strip the tape off several areas of the harness to trace the wires to try to understand where they went and why. So by the end of the night I was just flipping thorough the cressida manual looking for plug designations (like #7 & #12 terminal on B3 connection goes to the neutral start switch) and then if the wires matched the color and traced to approximately the correct location, I would label them with their actual function so when I got read to cut and splice I know what I was doing. But one part that I'm really confused on is I'm not sure what to do with one of the plugs coming out of the ECU since it goes into the main bundle under the cressida dash and not to the main engine harness like the other two plug coming out of the ECU.....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611530 06/23/05 08:34 AM

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Mudrunner

So the wrecking yard finally got the 7M supra oil pan, pickup tube, dip stick and dip stick tube in today from Washington. So I got it all cleaned up and ready to bolt in when I discovered a major problem!! I should have also had them get me the supra oil pump and hard line! I've read about other people just swaping pans with the parts I listed above and no mention of the oil pumps being different. ARGH....

So this basically screws me on being able to go to the 'Con 4th of July weekend because with this screw up, I just don't see it happening. Not that big of a deal, but I was wanting to go. So atleast I can now lighten up on my tight schedule and get more sleep! Working a full time job in the day and the working at this at night untill 11:00-12:00 and only getting 5 hours of sleep is really start to wear on me....

So anyways I'm now going to have to find the correct oil pan and hardline before I can install the motor into the 4runner.

So now to explain what is going on here..... The cressida oil pan is a front sump. The supra oil pan is a center sump. Toyota never made a rear sump for the 7M. And since I've got crossover steering and very little lift, the front sump oil pan was just not going to work! So here is a comparision shot to show the difference.

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And here is a shot of the pick up tubes. Notice how the supra pickup tube has a different flange on it then the cressida..... well right there that tells me I need to get a supra oil pump. by the time I figured this out I was only able to call one local parts house that was still open and I got a quote of $308 for a new oil pump and I'm assuming that is probably a reman with a core charge.

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The other problem with the cressida oil pump is the hard line hangs down too far for the supra oil pan. So I'll also have to get a new one of those. but heres a picture of the cressida oil pump and hardline that won't work.

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The other issue to tackle is the dip stick. as seen in this picture the red circle shows the boss on the block for the supra dip stick tube and the blue circle is for the cressida. Well if you try to put a cressida dip stick into a supra oil pan it will hit the bottom of the pan prematurely. I was just going to drill out the supra boss (as I have read on the web previously) and install a supra dip stick tube but I think I found a quicker and cleaner solution.

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If you put a 90 degree twist in the cressida dip stick that will allow the end of the stick to flex to the left and slide down into the pan farther. so thats what I tried and it looks like its going to work out good.

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After I got that all figured out I started working on the wiring harness some more. Luckily I was able to get to Sky's shop and look over his 4runner some more and I got some more notes about how his was done..... since his came from a cressida like mine....

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But really its not as bad as it looks right there since the coiled up wires are ones that I've already pulled out of the main harness and those are the one I need.

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611531 06/23/05 03:48 PM

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Mudrunner

Here is a picture of the Supra oil pump and hardline that I need....

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611532 06/24/05 06:36 AM

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Mudrunner

First, I heard that the wrecking yard has found a couple of oil pumps that they are going to get pulled and checked out for me. So that will save me a bunch of money because a oil pump for a Supra is like $230 and then I'd have to buy about another $50 of stuff from the dealer for the hardline. The wrecking yard said that the price would be around $40-$50.... If I don't like the condition of the oil pumps, I guess I will just have to buy new.....

Well I worked on the wiring some more tonight. I finally traced all the wires out of the engine harness, ECU, Starter relay, Fuel Pump Relay & Circuit Opening relay. This is everything that I got rid of so far!

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And here is the pile of tape I unwrapped.....

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And now this harness is looking more manageable. But there is still a lot of wires that I don't need that I'm weeding through one at a time. I figure just take it slow and steady and don't eliminate anything until I know I don't need it.

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611533 06/25/05 07:40 AM

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Mudrunner

Well the wrecking yard couldn't find a good oil pump locally so I told them to forget about it and I bought a new one off of Ebay for $85.25....

Then I called up Toyota and bought a new hardline, banjo gasket, and compression sleeve for a 1989 Supra 7M-GE since those are the only other parts that are not idnetical from the 1989 Cressida that I need for the oil pan conversion. So by the end of next week, I should hopefully have those parts.

Now for some Tech....The 22RE and the 7M AFM have the same bolt pattern on them for the filter charger adapter. But the 22RE has a smaller square in the middle. So I took my old adapter and had the hole in the middle enlarged to the size required for the 7M which was 9/16" bigger... Thats going to let a lot more air into this motor... BTW I know I need to clean the Filter.....

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I also went and bought a label maker so I could make nice labels for the wiring harness. My plan is to just wrap them up in the harness so if I ever have any issues down the road it won't be such a nightmare to figure out. I also eliminated another 13 wires and still got more to go!

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611534 06/26/05 03:07 AM

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Holly Springs, North Cackalack...

Mudrunner

Well I got the wiring harness all figured out (I think)! So I figured I better do a write-up now that its fresh in my head. I donÆt have it connected to the 4runner wiring yet, but everything is labeled and ready to go. IÆve got 30 connections that I need to make but thatÆs EVERYTHING to make all the gauges work, relays, grounds, fuel pump resistor, back up lights, 4wd indicator, ECU, etc. I hear you only technically need about 10-12 wires to make it run but I wanted to try to do it right the first time and not have to patch stuff in after the fact.

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Currently I could not find any good information on the web regarding what had to be done to the Cressida wiring harness to be able to wire the motor for a motor swap since the Supra and Cressida wiring harnesses are different. So with the resources of Cressida and Supra Factory Electrical Manuals, the info IÆve found on the web for the Supra swap and info I received from two locals that have done the swap using a Cressida, I starting striping my donor harness down one wire at a time. Basically what I did was just find all the wires that went to the motor and kept those while I cut everything else out and labeling everything as I go. After I got that done I took what I had left over and compiled the follow info:

Important Wiring Connections for 1989 Toyota Cressida, Non-California, US model.
Please refer to a Cressida FSM for wire numbers in the plugs as I donÆt feel like scanning a picture of each plug wire configuration.
(*) = means this must be connected to the vehicles wiring

B1 Connection - Dark Gray in color - located next to the intake plenum
Refer to as C1 Connection in a Supra
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, *IGN SW2 from AM2 Fuse, B-R
#2, *IGN SW2 from AM2 Fuse, B-R
#3, *EFI Main Relay #4*, B-R w/ Red dots

N1 Connection û Gray in color - located under the EGR
Auto Transmission Indicator Switch
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, *Backup Light Switch, R-B
#2, *Jumper to #3 to bypass Neutral Start Switch, B
#3, *Jumper to #2 to bypass Neutral Start Switch, B-W

N15 Connection û Gray in color - located under the EGR
Auto Transmission Indicator Switch
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, *I made this my new 4WD Indicator (was park light), G-W
#2, Ignore
#3, Ignore
#4, Ignore
#5, *Backup Light Power, Y w/Red dots
#6, Ignore

C1 Connection û White in color wrapped in foam - located next to the ECU
Refer to as M1 Connection in a Supra
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, *Tach, B-Y w/ Silver dots
#2, *Water Temp, Y-B w/ Silver dots
#3, *Ground, Br w/ Silver dots
#4, *Oil Pressure, Y w/ Silver dots
#5, Removed from plug
#6, *New 4WD Light, G-W w/ Silver dots
#7, Removed from plug
#8, Removed from plug
#9, Removed from plug
#10, Removed from plug
#11, Removed from plug
#12, Removed from plug

T3 Connection û Dark Gray in color - plugged into the ECU
Do nothing

T4 Connection û Dark Gray in color - plugged into the ECU
Do nothing

T5 Connection û Dark Gray in color - plugged into the ECU
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, *EFI Main Relay #2, W-R w/ Red dots
#2, *IGN Fuse, B-W w/ Silver Dots
#3, Removed from plug
#4, *EFI Main Relay #3 (M-Rel), Gray w/ Red Dots
#5, *Check Engine, TDCL (W), Y-R w/ Silver dots
#6, Fuel Pump Relay #3, G-R w/ Silver dots
#7, TDCL (TT), LG w/ Silver dots
#8, Removed from plug
#9, *Speed Sensor, V-W w/ Silver dots
#10, Removed from plug
#11, Circuit Opening Relay #3 & Starter Fuse & Cold start Injector, B w/ Red dots
#12, *EFI Main Relay #4 (+B), B-R w/ Silver dots
#13, *EFI Main Relay #4 (+B1), B-R w/ Silver dots
#14, Removed from plug
#15, Removed from plug
#16, Removed from plug
#17, Removed from plug
#18, Removed from plug
#19, Removed from plug
#20, Removed from plug
#21, Removed from plug
#22, Neutral Start Switch, B-W w/ Silver dots

T6 Connection û Dark Gray in color - Under steering column
TDCL û Toyota Diagnostic Communication Link
Remove everything from this plug except the connections from B2 & T5

B2 Connection û Dark Gray in color - small plug located next to the ECU
Refer to as part of the B1 Connection in a Supra
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, Removed from plug
#2, Removed from plug
#3, Removed from plug
#4, Removed from plug
#5, Removed from plug
#6, Removed from plug
#7, Removed from plug
#8, Removed from plug
#9, Removed from plug
#10, Removed from plug
#11, TDCL (TE2), LG-R w/ Silver dots
#12, TDCL (TE1), LG-B w/ Silver dots
#13, TDCL (ENG), Gray w/ Silver dots
#14, TDCL (E1), Brown w/ Silver dots
#15, Removed from plug
#16, Removed from plug

B3 Connection û Dark Gray in color - large plug located next to the ECU
Refer to as part of the B1 Connection in a Supra
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, Removed from plug
#2, Removed from plug
#3, Removed from plug
#4, *Backup Lights, R-B w/ Silver dots
#5, Fuel Pump Relay #1, Circuit Opening Relay #1, G-W w/ Silver dots
#6, *Ground, W-B w/ Silver dots
#7, *Starter Relay #4, B-W
#8, *AC / OBA Clutch, B w/ Red dots
#9, *Starter Fuse #4, Circuit Opening Relay #3, Cold Start Injector, B w/ Silver dots
#10, Removed from plug
#11, Circuit Relay #4, G w/ Silver dots
#12, *Starter Fuse #1, B
#13, *Backup Light Power from Engine Fuse, Y w/ Silver dots
#14, Removed from plug

Circuit Opening Relay
Located in the RH side kick panel of donor Cressida
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, Fuel Pump Relay #1, B3{#5}, G-W
#2, *EFI Main Relay #4, B-R
#3, Starter Fuse #4, T5{#11}, B3{#9}, B w/ Silver dots
#4, B3{#11}, G w/ Silver dots
#5, Removed
#6, *Ground, W-B w/ Silver dots

Fuel Pump Relay
Located in the RH side kick panel of donor Cressida
Wire Number, Description, Color
#1, Circuit Opening Relay #1, G-W
#2, Fuel Pump Resistor #1, G-B w/ Red dots
#3, T5{#6}, G-R w/ Silver dots
#4, *Fuel Pump, Fuel Pump Resistor #2, B-R

The items/connections that IÆm reusing from my 85 4runner originally equipped with a 22RE are as folllows:

EFI Fuse
Alternator Wiring
4Runner fuse box
SR5 dash
SR5 oil pressure sender

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611535 06/26/05 03:56 AM

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You've done an incredible job with your swap so far. I'd love to see it in action!!! If you want to go wheeling email me: venturer@gitout.com or www.gitout.com

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611536 06/26/05 06:18 PM

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This is amazing! The level of detail is unprecedented and will help many others. I hope the final product exceeds your expectations. And keep the info coming!

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: little_joe] #611537 06/27/05 06:34 AM

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Mudrunner

Its about about the details..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Okay I got alot done today...... well maybe not a lot, but atleast I got the huge step of putting the motor into the 4runner done!

So the First major event was installing the flywheel. I didn't have the correct bolts so I had to run to the store to buy some; the ones for the 22RE where 12MM and the cressida ones where too short. The ones I got where class 8.8 M10 X 1.25 X 25mm Long. Worked out good.

So the Second major event was installing the clutch... Well the pressure plate I got from MarlinCrawler was wrong. Not sure why, but it wouldn't bolt to the flywheel. It had a slightly smaller bolt circle and hole spacing was different. I knew that could be a possiblilty since Chris Gieger over the phone said they don't normally deal with the engine so he would have to call his supplier for the correct part numbers. Never dawned on me to try it before today....So anyway, after about 30 minutes of phone calls I found a OEM replacement clutch kit about 20 miles away.... So off for another parts run..... Got back to the house and it bolted up perfect. So now I'm going to have to call Marlin Crawler up Monday to figure out what happened and how to return it. This also means that I'm now using a OEM clutch and not a ceramic clutch. Not sure how I feel about that but time will tell.

Then onto trying to fit this engine into the engine bay! The only why I could figure out how to get it in without cutting the core support was to turn it sideways...

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And then about halfway into the engine bay turn it back forward and this also requires the tranny to be pulled back out of the way.

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See how tight of a fit it is!

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Then after a bunch of jiggling and wiggling, all the swear words I know, and about an hour later I finally got it into place and the tranny engaged. I also had to make my thrid parts run for some bellhousing bolts. The (4) upper bolts are M10 X 1.25 X75 mm and the (4) lower bolts are M10 X 1.25 X 40mm.

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This is how I hooked up the heater lines and brake booster vacuum line. And yes thats a dual diaphram booster installed with the 7MGE.... I've got about 3/16" between the plenum and the booster. NOT ideal by any means!!! My plans is to dent the booster to make a little more room for it. The EGR is also very close to the firewall, hopefully I can get in there and dent that also! I've also got some ideas on trying to lock the drivetrain down into position a little better that just factory mounts to hopefully stop the engine from moving around so much. We will see what happens.

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So here how the motor mounts worked out. 7M block, W58 Bellhousing, W56 tranny, 5M upper mounts, 22R/RE rubbers, and the factory 85 4runner frame mounts. I got to give a lot of credit to whoever figured this combination out!!!!! It still amazes me that all these different factory toyota parts bolt together to make this conversion a bolt in!

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Heres another shot of the dual diaphram booster and plenum clearance. I should also mention that this is with 2" of transfer case lift via Sky's Crossmember. Without the transfer case lift, it probably wouldn't clear!

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Right now, my new 2" thick V6 radiator will not work the water pump and crank pulley hit it! I've only got about 2 1/2" of room to work with to the radiator mounting surface. I'll figure something out, but I want my factory hood latch! That project is for another day....

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Here is how the fuel line, clutch line and starter worked out. Man its a PITA getting to those bolts!

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And here is a shot of the Supra oil pan. Looks like it was designed for this application. And this is for all those people that said the Cressida pan would work. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> After taking some measurements of the Cressida pan, that one would interfer with the drag link by 1/2" at ride hieght! As shown in the picture I have 3 1/2" till by bump stop hit and I have 3 3/4" of clearance between either the tie rod or drag link versus the pan! Its just perfect. But I still need to get the oil pump and hardline before I can seal up the bottom of the motor.

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611538 06/28/05 07:23 AM

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4xGeek

Body Damage is Cool

Holy crap man! This is hands down the best write-up I've seen on here! Good on ya! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

4xGeek (Chris)
'97 T-100 4wd sr5-suto, 3" BL, 1.5" BJ spacers, 35" ProComp AT's, 4.88's, Bilsteins x 6, etc...

No longer stuck in SoCal!!

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4xGeek] #611539 06/28/05 07:45 AM

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Mudrunner

Thanks...........

It sure doesn't feel like I got much done today......

I fabricated a AFM bracket to support it off the side of the head.

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Heres what it looks like bolted up into place.

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I also tweaked the main harness a bit to get a cleaner look and got that bolted to the firewall. I also fabbed up a fuel return line from some 1/4" tubing for the back of the firewall.

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I got the charcoal canister bolted to the wheel well. I decided to just reuse the one from teh 22RE since it was a bit smaller than the 7M one and I have the mounting brackets. I hope it works alright in this position. I know som eof the early carb trucks have them down low like this.

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And here is a mock up of my radiator clearance with a stock 2 core 4 cyl radiator. This isn't going to work.....

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Or this.....I think the main reason why mine is so tight compared to others I've seen is that my 4runner has been in a major front end collision before I bought it. When I got it, the front crossmember was badly bent in and everything was teaked and busted up. I actually straighten it most of the way out with a chain and a big tree when I oringally built the rig 5 years ago!!!! So now that problem has resurfaced. Time to start cutting!

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Here is a quick overall shot with both batteries in the engine compartment. I main just did this to get a overall picture of what space I had to put stuff.....

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611540 06/29/05 07:33 AM

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Posts: 259

Mudrunner

Tonight, I figured out how to get a York mounted to this engine for OBA!

My orignal thought was to lower the Alternator and mount the York up high on the driver side of the engine. But I didn't like this option very much because it would put the alternator down in the crap which is a problem with the 22R series alternators and the mud and water here in Oregon. plus after I got the engine installed, there just wasn't enough room to relocate the alternator down low.

What I figured out tonight was how to relocate the PS pump to the driver side of the engine so I can mount the York in the original PS location. another problem this solved was my routing of the PS lines and the location for a PS reservior. Now that the PS pump is back near the steering box I can keep everything basically like OEM.

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So what I did first was to cut up the OEM Cressida AC mount. Then I made a couple small adapter brackets. This took a pretty long time to figure it out and to get the alignment right but I think it turned out very simple and clean.

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This is what the brackets look like assemblied to the engine:

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From the other side:

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And with the pump installed:

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From the top:

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And then this is how it all turned out. I have to get one size longer belt so I can actually tension it properly but thats no big deal. And doing this I was even able to reuse my 85 high pressure power steering line.

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Next up is to do the York, But I'm still waiting on the serpentine pulley. I guess the store got it in from my special order and sold it before I could pick it up so they had to order another one for me.....

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap *DELETED* [Re: 4RnrRick] #611541 06/29/05 07:50 AM

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: kewlynx] #611542 06/29/05 04:31 PM

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Mudrunner

I was thinking that instead of this post being a sticky that maybe it should be moved to the tech article section, as long as I can still edit and add to it as needed...

BTW, Thanks...... Its all about the details.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611543 06/29/05 05:45 PM

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BoostedInline6 Offline

Body Damage is Cool

Excellent write-up! I just got my 7M-GTE back from the machine shop and will begin reassembly this weekend. I am doing somewhat of a light performance rebuild using Ross forged pistons, a Cometic metal headgasket and some ARP hardware, everything else is new OEM Toyota parts (oil pump, bearings, gaskets, etc.) Your thread has me excited to start putting this thing back together. Look for my thread in the off-topic section; I will updating it with new pics starting late this weekend.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: BoostedInline6] #611544 06/29/05 05:55 PM

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Mudrunner

I'm glad I could inspire.....

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611545 07/01/05 07:45 AM

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Mudrunner

I got quite a bit done today, well until I ran out of wire for the Mig.... ARGH

Time to tackle the cooling issue. Heres the comparision between the 1 1/4" thick, 2 Core, 4 Cylinder radiator and the 2" thick, 3 Core, V6 radiator.

[Linked Image]

I cut out the lower part of the core support as needed. But I still left the top main piece for the OEM hood latch.

[Linked Image]

And since the V6 radiator is taller and I need to move it forward, I had to cut out the factory front crossmember to replace it with a piece of angle. well since I've had the vehicle, the front crossmember has looked like this, so it needed to be replaced anyways....

[Linked Image]

And now with the new crossmember.

[Linked Image]

Now you might think that a piece of angle (3 1/2" x 3 1/2" x 1/4") is not enough support but this is a All-Pro bumper that bolts to the front of the frame and the body mounts, so it provides quite a bit of additional support. I might down the road add some rect. tubing to it to stiffen it up, but for now, this will be fine.

[Linked Image]

Then I took some 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/8" angle and made my vertical radiator supports. these are going to be welded to the top of the frame and not the sheetmetal core support. Doing that should stop the possiblity of the cab flexing around and changing my radiator clearances.

[Linked Image]

And now for mock up.... You can hardly even see the electric fan. Just want I wanted - A nice stock look!

[Linked Image]

Well the tarus fan (16") wouldn't fit with this bumper. so I ended up buying an 14" Hayden rapid-cool reversable electric fan and a 185 degree thermostat relay wiring kit from Knecths (~$163). So thats the fan thats shown here.

[Linked Image]

This fan is 3 7/8" thick and just clears the winch by 3/8".

[Linked Image]

And heres the engine clearances I ended up with. and this is with the factory hood latch, just like I wanted....

[Linked Image]

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap *DELETED* [Re: 4RnrRick] #611546 07/01/05 07:58 AM

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: kewlynx] #611547 07/02/05 03:32 AM

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New York

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Mudrunner

Great write-up and the excellent pics really add to the quality of your documentation. I've purchased books on other engine swaps that had less detail and pictures than you have here. You have really taken the time to record the info and take corresponding pictures that tell a complete story for all the visual learners out there. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: NYT100] #611548 07/02/05 06:37 AM

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Mudrunner

I too am a visual learner......But then again sometimes I learn the best from just jumping in head first!

********************************

Well today it seemed like I couldn't get anything done! I just kept running into one problem after another and having to make parts runs......

The only major problem to tackle & finished today was the radiator hoses. I spent probably a good hour down at Napa looking at their wall of hoses to find something I could make work. Luckily I made a pretty good sketch of what I needed so I got what I needed the first time.

For the lower hose I ended up buying these two hoses and cutting and splicing them together. This worked out pretty good.

[Linked Image]

For the upper hose I bought this one to cut and rotate.

[Linked Image]

Here is how the upper one turned out. Pretty clean for what I'm dealing with.

[Linked Image]

And here is the lower one. I also plumbed my power steering into the tranny cooler in the radiator.

[Linked Image]

I also made a support bar for the lower bolt for the hood latch.

[Linked Image]

And this is how it pretty much looks like right now. Got the coil installed, Main battery, washer fliud, radiator overflow, dual battery isolator, power steering reserve, Winch, grill, etc....

I think I'm just about ready to put the hood back on.... after I finish mounting the other battery and weeding out some of the old 22RE wires on the driver side fender.

[Linked Image]

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611549 07/03/05 05:11 AM

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Mudrunner

Well all I did today was work on the wiring. Cleaning up some of the old 22RE stuff and start soldering connections for the 7M. I probably got about 50% of it done.

[Linked Image]

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611550 07/04/05 04:35 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I worked on the wiring some more today.... I think I got all the wiring finished in the passegner side kick panel. It looks a lot worse than it really is ... well I think so ...

A couple things that I changed was instead of using all the wiring for the 7M-GE Circuit Opening Relay, I just wired the existing one above the passenger side kick panel. my 4runner does not have a fuel pump relay or a fuel pump resistor, so I did have to use the one from the 7M-GE. I did not use a Starter relay like the Cressida US model, instead I wired it like the Canada Cressida that don't have a starter relay to eliminate a couple wires. Plus the 4runner does use one now either. But I did have to wire in a Starter Fuse which I did not show in my previous list.

So heres how it looks now....
[Linked Image]

And with the plastic trim installed.
[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611551 07/05/05 04:12 AM

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Mudrunner

Seems like I was out in the garage all today and I don't have anything to really show for it.... Most of the time was just cleaning up wires and dealing with little issues here and there.

I did get the battery tray for the second battery mounted. I also got the battery installed....

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611552 07/06/05 06:03 AM

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Mudrunner

I some got presents today.........

First off, I finally got the Supra Oil-Pump! And that with the new toyota hardline and some gaskets I will be able to finally install the oil pan.

[Linked Image]

I had just enough room to slide the supra oil pump up into place with the 4runner on all fours.

[Linked Image]

Here is a side view of it.

[Linked Image]

And I also just barely had enough room to install the oil pan. And agian this is with the 4runner on all four tires under its own weight. Sure I could of jacked the 4runner up a bit but why....

[Linked Image]

I also finally got my 6 groove pulley for the York!!! Kenworth part number KA1480......

[Linked Image]

Hummmm....OBA......

[Linked Image]

And I also found this (1) wire in, 6 spade fuse holder at a 2-way radio store of all places. It was really just dumb luck on how I found it, but I did and thats the important part. I was almost ready to order one from SeaBass44 (12voltguy.com) but I found this one locally so I didn't have to wait for it. plus I think this fits a little better then the one's he offers for my application.

Anyways for this engine swap I'm now able to have dual bateries under the hood. So I decided to re-wire all my accessories to this one main fuse block, from the auxilliary battery, that will now be located under the dirver side kick panel. I'm also going to relocate the relays to the kick panel also. I normally have put this type of stuff in the engine bay, but it just looks ghetto to me having a bunch of single fuse holders, a row of relays stuck to the side of the fender with a spider web of wires between them. Plus I seem to always end up having to replace the relays due to moisture in the engine bay after going through Oregon Rain and Mud.

[Linked Image]

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611553 07/06/05 06:23 AM

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Salem, Oregon

Ganoid

Mudrunner

Quote

I some got presents today.........

In the stretch home finally it seems?

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />

now quit goofing off and turn the damn key already!

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611554 07/06/05 09:32 PM

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Mudrunner

IT RUNS

At lunch I bought some oil and one of those new quick drain plugs because this oil plug on this pan is right above the diff and I hate bouncing oil off the diff when you have to change the oil. I installed the new drain plug. I filled the engine up with oil. I stripped the ends of the two remaining wires I needed to connect and shoved them in the EFI relay (in the correct spots of course). Connected the battery ground and turned the key. After about 10 seconds of cranking it fired right up!!!! I'm so freak'n amazed I got everything right the first time. I just can't believe it! I'm never that good! and considering this is my first motor conversion and dealing with that many wires I'm just shocked.... I honesty expected it least 2-3 wires in the wrong place. Even when I rebuilt my 22RE it took about three times of little stupid stuff I had to tweak before it would fire. But this fired right up and I even had it stripped down to the block just a week ago. So then I ran inside and grabbed the digital camera for a quick video.

So in the video its actually me turning the key for the very second time!!!Now granted I sound like a dork in the video and there is no exhaust (exhaust manifold only) and I haven't done any tuning yet and I don't have coolant in the radiator but it runs! Also you will notice the brake light is on in the video but thats because I haven't bleed the clutch master yet so the e-brake is pulled and the tranny is in neutral. also the RPMS look really high because this is a 4cylinder tach on a 6 cylinder engine. I just haven't modified the tack yet so it reads 150% of what the actual rpm is.

Now unfortionately I'm back at work and I put the video on a disc at the
house but I didn't test it befor eI left the house and the disc is bad.... so you guys are going to have to wait a bit for the video.....

But like a I said before:

IT RUNS!!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611555 07/06/05 11:50 PM

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Mudrunner

Day -3 - June 06, 2005 - decide that I'm going to do a 7M motor swap.

Day -1 - June 08, 2005 - Found wrecking yard with motor and paid for it.

Day 01 - June 10, 2005 - Got motor from wrecking yard and almost all the other required componets.

Day 03 - June 12, 2005 - Motor tore down to a short block. (block, crank, rods, pistons)

Day 09 - June 18, 2005 - Motor is now completely reassemblied.

Day 09 - June 18, 2005 - Pulled 22RE from the 4Runner.

Day 14 - June 23, 2005 - Wrecking yard finally got me a Supra Oil Pan.

Day 16 - June 25, 2005 - Donor car wiring harness stripped down and labeled.

Day 17 - June 26, 2005 - 7M installed into 4runner.

Day 21 - June 30, 2005 - Radiator and fan mounted.

Day 25 - July 04, 2005 - Wiring almost complete and dual batteries installed.

Day 26 - July 5, 2005 - Finally received a new supra oil pump and got it installed.

Day 27 - July 6, 2005 - Cranked engine over for the first time and it fired right up!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611556 07/07/05 12:02 AM

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Body Damage is Cool

Impressive! I'm going on 6 weeks just doing my rebuild. I was waiting for a headgasket from Cometic for quite a while, I bought the last OEM crank bolts in the country and Spec (the clutch manufacturer) sent me a damaged clutch disc, then sent me a throw out bearing rather than a replacement disc. [Linked Image]

If it weren't for relying on others, I would be done!

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: BoostedInline6] #611557 07/07/05 12:41 AM

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Mudrunner

[color:"red"] heres the short VIDEO! [/color]

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=60448

Download it while you can because this site I uploaded it to does randomly delete stuff.....

Last edited by 4RnrRick; 07/07/05 12:44 AM.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611558 07/07/05 03:16 AM

Anonymous

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Sounds mean! Nice writeup by the way, It's been kind of addicting to tune in every day and see what you've done!

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611559 07/07/05 03:34 AM

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Mudrunner

Well the only thing that I've got done tonight is I made the connector tube for the exhaust manifold because I've got to watch my daughter tonight while the wife is out. The factory exhaust does the two tube into one about 2 feet after the manifold so I had to shorten that up for my crossover tube. I'm also going to run 2 1/4" exhaust on this motor. hopefully I can have it down to the exhaust shop by this weekend......I've gotten a quote of $200-$225 for the tube work and the muffler, I'm supplying the CAT.

[Linked Image]

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611560 07/08/05 08:35 AM

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Mudrunner

Well tonight I tried finishing up some of the minor stuff to make sure I could actually drive it down to the exhuast shop Friday morning....you know, coolant, oil, power steering, clutch, etc... Well I'm all set to get it down there but I still got a lot of the little stuff to go. Mostly because I'm going to rewire all my accessories with this dual battery install.

I did chain the motor mounts down. and I put a little twist to it. I put a couple chains at an angle trying to prevent the motor from moving backward. This should help stop the EGR from hitting the firewall or the plenum from hitting my brake booster.

[Linked Image]

I then did some HOT LAPS around the neighborhood with no hood or doors.... I did get it up to 55mph already which IS legal on that road... Man is this thing loud with no exhaust! Hard to get a performance compraision now, but after the exhaust is installed I can run the tests again. so far I'm really happy with it.

Now as for quirks, It has some that I need to work on. The EFI relay appears to have power and ground to it all the time. so I'm affraid to leave the battery connected otherwise it could drain the battery. Plus the relay is getting warm to the touch. Just something I'm going to have to figure out.

The engine doesn't want to idle very well at start up. you have to give it some gas for say the first 5 seconds before it takes the idle. again I haven't tuned anything yet since I'm waiting for the exhuast.

I did find a loose banjo fuel fitting which was leaking gas. That could of been bad - Really bad! I just forgot to tighten it when I was putting the engine back together. but luckily that was an easy fix and nothing bad happened!

Here is what it looks like now! Hood, Grill, Doors are all back on! and just to let you guys know, I didn't have to modify the hood any for that radiator.

[Linked Image]

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611561 07/08/05 08:45 AM

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Wow-- ya need to get it outside in the daylight for us Rick. Whoo-hoo-- the home stretch!! Kinda diggin that flame job there.

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: kewlynx] #611562 07/09/05 05:49 AM

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Posts: 259

Mudrunner

Heres how the exhaust turned out. Ended up being $300 for everything from the collector back and I provided the Cat and the collector. Its all in 2 1/4" exhaust and a 'turbo' muffer was use to keep everythign nice and quiet - I'm just sick and tired of my previous loud exhaust systems.

I choose to run the exhaust under the bellhousing instead of under the oil pan because I still wanted access to the bell housing bolts and the oil pan bolts.

[Linked Image]

The installed did a really nice job at bracing every point on the exhaust system. I was pretty clear on how I wanted it done and he exeeded my expectation. Also even doing it this was there is no way the driveline can hit the exhust with dual cases even with my low lift.

[Linked Image]

And here is the crossover. nice and clean.

[Linked Image]

And he was able to tuck the cat up nice and high above teh 2" lifted Sky's crossmember.

[Linked Image]

And then down next to the the traction bar (it not quite as close as it looks) and dumping it out right behind the center of the axle. that last Jog in the exhaust is mostly for sound deadening and for getting the exhaust away from the springs.

[Linked Image]

As far as driving impression so far..... I REALLY like it! Feels torque off the line and this motor likes to REV! The power band just keeps going and going.... Its really nuts! And I still haven't gotten around to even checking the timing yet! The distrubitor is still in the same location I put it when I bolted everything back together.

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: BoostedInline6] #611563 07/09/05 09:40 AM

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I gotta say this the single most impressive write up I think I have ever seen on any forum of any kind.
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Nice rig.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611564 07/09/05 09:58 PM

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Mudrunner

Thanks....

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611565 07/10/05 04:33 PM

Joined: May 2002

Posts: 259

Mudrunner

Well I finally found my wiring gremlin! I was getting a 1.3A drain on battery only after I connected the battery and started the engine once.... plus the heater fan would then have power to it after I pulled the key out..... And the other thing that keyed me into a problem was my EFI relay was getting warm to the touch...

Basically when I wired the EFI main relay I just spliced into the main harness where I needed to cut the existing wire and then splice into it. I was getting a weird power feed back though the system that after turned the key for the first time and it would engage the heater relay and then it would send power to the wrong side of the efi relay. It was a PITA to find but I finally did!!!

The other thing I worked on was adjusting the 4cyl tack to read the correct RPM for the 6 cylinder motor. Well that fix was real easyusing this info:

http://www.mindspring.com/~jayk3/toyota/tachmod.htm

But I had one heck of a time trying to figure out what the actual RPM of the motor was! I couldn't figure out how to hook up my dwell/tach meter to the coil to get it to read RPM.... Everytime I hooked it up I was only reading 150-200 RPM. I even borrowed two other meters and they did the same thing. So I finally gave up on that and I was able to wire in the donor car tach from the cressida instrument cluster. but the odd thing about that is that was only showning 500 rpm at idle..... to me it sounded more like 700 ish.... so anyway I then hooked up my 4runner tack and set it accordingly. I would still like to figure out what I was doing wrong so I can compared the actual rpms to the tach as say 3000 rpm.

So I basically spent all yesterday working on those problems.... doesn't feel like I did anything productive!

And here is going to be my last entry on my actual costs. I don't expect to be buying anything else for this motor swap. I've also still have about $200-$300 of more stuff off the motor that can be sold. so that would put my total cost for this motor swap and dual batteries around $1700-$1800.

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*...4RnrRick's list of actual motor swap costs...*
*.........Prices Include Shipping Costs..........*
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*.Descrpition..............................Price.* 
*------------------------------------------------*
*7M-GE engine 89 Cressida 153K w/ 90 day warranty*
*from local wrecking yard. Motor harness w/ ECU,.*
*coil/igniter, injector resistor, AFM, Exhaust ..*
*manifold, 02 Sensors, Oil pan, pickup, dip stick*
*Supra 7M 5MGE upper motor mount brackets, 5M/7M.*
*bellhousing, flywheel, clutch fork, slave cyl...*
*starter, and every else typically supplied with.*
*a motor swap............................$950.00.*
*................................................* 
*Motor credit for Bad Head Gasket.......($115.00)*
*................................................* 
*Radiator, new 1988 V6 3-core, 2" thick..$115.00.*
*14" Electric Fan, Hayden #3710..........$139.99.* 
*185F Thermostat Relay, Hayden #3652......$22.99.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 8761.................$17.92.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 8698.................$11.73.*
*Radiator hose, NAPA 7775.................$12.16.*
*Radiator hose clamps......................$6.33.*
*Material for splicing Radiator hose.......$4.99.*
*................................................* 
*OEM Replacement Clutch Kit..............$150.00.*
*Resurface flywheel and exhaust manifold..$70.00.*
*Clutch Slave, 'Napa' #37606..............$30.90.*
*................................................* 
*Head Gasket, FelPro #9473PT.............$102.73.*
*Valve Cover Gasket Set, #ESP VS50303R....$21.14.*
*Front Crank &amp; Timing Gskt Set, #TCS45732.$24.28.*
*Rear Main Seal, Knecht's #ESP 228010.....$16.35.*
*Exhaust Gasket, Knecht's #ESP MS92327....$12.46.*
*Intake Gasket Set, Knecht's #ESP S93544..$11.72.*
*Cam Shaft Seal Set , #ESP45424...........$11.03.*
*Oil Pan Gasket, Knecht's #OS 3435........$10.58.*
*Bulk Gasket material......................$2.99.*
*................................................*
*Exhaust Downpipe Donuts, Napa F-14592.....$6.28.*
*2 1/4" Exhaust connector for collector....$3.07.*
*Professional Exhaust with muffler.......$300.00.* 
*................................................*
*Spark Plug Wires, Knecht's #ESP 09216....$63.88.*
*Distibutor Cap, Knecht's #KEM W3082......$10.79.*
*Spark Plugs, Knecht's #NGK 2241 Qty(6)....$9.54.*
*Rotor, Knecht's #ESP JR120T...............$5.08.*
*................................................* 
*Timing Belt, Knecht's #CLO B126..........$18.48.*
*Alternator Belt, Knecht's #GDY 510K5.....$12.59.*
*Power Steering Belt, Knecht's #GDY 350K4..$7.20.*
*................................................*
*1989 Supra 7M-GE oil pump, new (ebay)....$85.25.*
*1989 Supra oil pump hardline.............$39.61.*
*1989 Supra oil pump ball sleeve &amp; gasket..$6.11.*
*Fram Sure Oil Drain Plug, 18mm x 1.5.....$15.69.* 
*................................................*
*Antifreeze................................$9.99.*
*10W-30 oil...............................$10.20.*
*Dot 3 brake/clucth fluid..................$3.40.*
*Power Steering Fluid......................$2.99.*
*................................................* 
*Used 210 York from Volvo (V-Belt)........$30.00.*
*New 6 gr pulley&amp;clutch, Kenworth KA1480..$69.95.*
*................................................* 
*Red Top Optima Battery...................$93.00.*
*Battery tray &amp; hold downs................$11.98.*
*Battery marine terminals..................$1.98.*
*Battery isolator, 95 amp.................$39.99.*
*6 Amp Circuit Breaker.....................$4.77.*
*(6) Fuse holder, 'Accele' #5415..........$14.95.*
*Battery Wire Lugs.........................$1.98.*
*Wire loom, black split - 3 sizes.........$15.96.*
*Micro Potentiometer 4.7K, RS #271-0281....$1.19.*
*Label Maker..............................$24.96.* 
*................................................*
*Vacuum Hose...............................$1.50.*
*Fuel line and hose clamps.................$9.94.*
*Power Steering Hose......................$17.52.*
*................................................*
*Engine Paint, Semi Gloss Black............$4.60.*
*AntiSeize.................................$4.59.* 
*Ultra Black RTV, Permitex.................$3.99.*
*Blue Shop Towels, (3 rolls)...............$6.00.*
*Bulk Gasket material......................$2.99.*
*................................................*
*Metric Hardware..........................$23.56.*
*Misc Steel from metal recycler...........$17.15.*
*Chain for motor mounts, 5/16".............$3.50.*
*................................................* 
*Engine Repair Manual CD 7MGE/7MGTE, ebay.$18.12.*
*Chiltons Repair Manual for 1989 Cressida.$17.95.*
*Borrowed 1989 Supra Electrical FSM on CD..FREE..*
*Borrowed 1991 Supra Electrical FSM........FREE..*
*Borrowed 1991 Cressida Electrical FSM.....FREE..*
*................................................* 
*Borrowed Engine Stand and Hoist...........FREE..*
*................................................* 
*................................................* 
*................................................*
*................................................*
*Sold, Thorley Header with O2 Sensor....($125.00)*
*Sold, Short Block W/ Timing set &amp; pan..($150.00)*
*Sold, Head, DOA 270 Cam, LCE Adjust timing gear.*
*&amp; LCE Red Powder coat valve cover......($150.00)*
*................................................*
*Pending, EFI Conversion Parts..........($225.00)* 
*................................................* 
*------------------------------------------------*
*Total Dollars Spent as of 7-8-2005......$2032.56*
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Last edited by 4RnrRick; 07/10/05 04:34 PM.

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611566 07/11/05 03:05 PM

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Auburn,AL

dragr1

Rock Warrior

This is absolutely the most impressive writeup I have seen on 4x4wire. I hope to see some daylight pics and video real soon!

1985 Toyota 4Runner, dual e-lockers, exo and more

2007 Toyota Tacoma Crewcab TRD 4x4

2000 Suburban 2500 4x4

1991 Tiffin Allegro Class A MHome (Ole Krusty)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: dragr1] #611567 07/11/05 04:47 PM

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Mudrunner

Well I finally got around to cleaning up and looming the wires.

[Linked Image]

I also got the computer mounted.

[Linked Image]

And I was able to wire up most of my accessories. but still need to loom a couple more wires in the driver side kick panel and drive side fender.

[Linked Image]

So far I have put about 70 miles on this engine. Power is great at lower speeds. Maintaning 65-70 mph on the freeway the throttle is only open 15-20% in 5th gear. Before with the 22RE it would be 80-85% WOT in 4th gear. But over 75mph the engine feels sluggish - Sure thats faster than I should be going but I'm just trying to find all the quirks and bugs in the engine.

One think I did notice when I was timing the engine, I would short the computer and the timing wouldn't change. So I ned to look into that more...

Also the water temp gauge is constantly cycling going up and down. I didn't replace the thermostat, but I think I should with one that is a bit cooler than stock. and on top of that I keep blowing my 25A fuse for my electric fan, so I need to bump that up a size.

Also for some reason my death wobble is now worse than before! So I've got a couple new Irok's coming for the front axle but unfortionately they're out about a month.....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611568 07/11/05 07:11 PM

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4xGeek

Body Damage is Cool

Re: the coolant temp flux... Maybe you need to burp her? Just a thought... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

4xGeek (Chris)
'97 T-100 4wd sr5-suto, 3" BL, 1.5" BJ spacers, 35" ProComp AT's, 4.88's, Bilsteins x 6, etc...

No longer stuck in SoCal!!

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4xGeek] #611569 07/11/05 09:02 PM

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Mudrunner

COMPARISON PERFORMANCE TEST RESULTS!

The baseline tests where done right before I pulled the 22RE out of the 4runner 4500 lbs +/- 10 lbs with an empty gas tank, built 22RE, W56, Dual cases, 1/4" thick drivelines, 5.29 gears, 36" Bias ply IROKS at 15 psi.

I have not weighed the 4runner after the swap (I'm expecting it weighs 80 lbs more due to the engine) and I now have a 1/2 tank of gas (another 50 lbs). Also I have two slow leaks in the Iroks probably due to crap in the bead, So the tire pressure is lower than before.

You won't believe some of these numbers.... Also keep in mind that I timed these myself with a the second hand on my watch. So they are not very accurate but the do show a very impressive increase in performance!

Test #1
0-40 MPH on flat ground
[color:"blue"]22RE - 10.5[/color] seconds average (2 runs)
[color:"red"]7MGE - 7.5[/color] seconds averaage (2 runs) {40% increase}

Test #2
0-60 MPH on flat ground
[color:"blue"]22RE - 23[/color] seconds average (3 runs)
[color:"red"]7MGE - 13.5[/color] seconds average (2 runs) {70% increase}

Test #3
Hillside Drive - mild hill close to the house
[color:"blue"]22RE[/color] - Top speed at crest was [color:"blue"]48 MPH [/color]in 3rd gear
[color:"red"]7MGE[/color] - Top speed at crest was [color:"red"]57 MPH [/color]in 3rd gear {19% increase}

Test #4
Sunset Drive - really steep hill close to the house
[color:"blue"]22RE[/color] - Top speed at crest was [color:"blue"]31 MPH [/color]in 2nd gear
[color:"red"]7MGE[/color] - Top speed at crest was [color:"red"]47+ MPH [/color]in 3rd gear* {52%+ increase}
* = I had to let off the gas on one corner of this hill because I was going too fast and actually started to power slide on dry pavement!

Also something to note is that my death wobble is worse now after the swap which is probably scuffing some speed off the results with the 7MGE.

Last edited by 4RnrRick; 07/11/05 09:04 PM.

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'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4xGeek] #611570 07/12/05 07:05 AM

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Mudrunner

And heres some final dimensions.

Ground to the bottom of the front crossmember.
22RE - 25"
7M-GE - 25"

Ground to the bottom of tranny bellhousing.
22RE - 23"
7M-GE - 24"

Ground to the bottom of the oil pan.
22RE - 20 1/2""
7M-GE - 23 1/4"

Ground to the bottom of Sky's Crossmember.
22RE - 19 3/4"
7M-GE - 20 1/2"

Ground to bottom of Transfer Case Parking Brake Mount.
22RE - 22 1/2"
7M-GE - 22 7/8"

Well these dimensions puzzled me at first because there is no way I gained that much clearance under the rig with the same amount of drive train lift as before. Until I remembered I didn't check the air pressure in my tires on the previous measurement... So these dims are much harder to intepret than by first glance. Basically the pan on the 7M doesn't hang down as far as the one on the 22RE and the 7m appears to be mounted on the frame rails higher since these more clearance under the bellhousing.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611571 07/12/05 09:10 PM

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Mudrunner

Also I was able to borrow a nice digital timing light with a built in tach. I adjusted the POT switch I wired into the M- and M+ terminals on theback of the tach to match at 4000 rpm... then when I check it back at idle, it was 400 rpm off! actualy RPM was 750 and the tach said 1150 RPM ARGH..... So thats a big no go. Guess I'm just going to swap a V6 SR5 cluster in there and be done with it! Anybody got one for cheap.....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611572 07/13/05 12:30 AM

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611573 07/13/05 04:14 PM

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Mudrunner

If you guys remember correctly, the 4Runner weighed 4500 lbs +/- 10 lbs with me in the driver seat and a emtpy tank of gas. Well I just weighed the 4runner at the same conditions..... me in the driver seat and an empty tank of gas....Its still 4500 lbs +/- 10 lbs. The only thing that is not installed on the 4runner is that during the conversion was my new OBA and I removed the AC during the conversion. So I would have to say that a 7m swap will only gain you 30 lbs.......

Also for the first tank of gas I was pretty hard on fuel consumption with my new found power! I got 12.7 MPG which is basically right where I was at before with normal driving of the 22RE! So I'm expecting better mileage on the next tank.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611574 07/14/05 06:01 PM

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Mudrunner

Yesterday, I finally got a compression tester extension so I could do the comp. test on the 7M. See with these Heads, you need one of these extensions because the spark plug hole is impossible to get down into to tighten the tester into.

[Linked Image]

Results:
145, 145, 145, 140, 142, 145

I don't think I've ever seen a motor that consistant.... and I am actually amazed that this was a junk yard motor with a blown head gasket!

As for the spark plugs, they are running lean to me. So I will have to probably tweak with the mixture using the AFM. These are OEM spec NGK plugs have around 150 miles on them.

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611575 07/19/05 11:42 PM

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San Diego, CA

kens

Getting the Wheeling Fever

Great Job!!! What a write up! I keep kicking myself - I was talking to Rob to do the install for me. I came up short on funds (man I was close) and had to go with a stock setup - Life in the slow lane for me. Again, congrads and what a great write up!

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611576 07/21/05 02:55 AM

Anonymous

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Great job Rick!! And to everyone else, I just ran into this guy as we were both driving down the highway. We came to a stoplight and I commented on his f&#kin bada$$ 4runner. (mine's pitiful in comparision). But this thing looks SWEET! I've never seen a 4runner take off that fast before either.

Awesome job Rick, I hope to see you around these parts again

At least now I know there's someone in town with some serious engine knowledge <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> Maybe you could post pics of your whole ride so everyone can see <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Take it easy

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611577 07/21/05 04:59 PM

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Mudrunner

Ah, heck, your being too nice. It sure is funny how you met some people......

Anyways, heres some pictures of the rig, so if you see me, say hi!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611578 07/21/05 07:00 PM

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Mudrunner

Second tank of Gas......

155 miles and 11.92 galons

13.0 MPG, Not as good as I would like to see but I still need to look into my timing problem. I don't think the ECU is advancing the spark with changes in RPM.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611579 08/09/05 04:16 PM

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Mudrunner

Well heres a final install picture of the 7M-GE in my 85 4Runner...

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611580 08/10/05 08:24 PM

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Mudrunner

3rd tank of gas now .....

174 miles and 12.99 gallons = 13.4 MPG

Well I definately see a trend here in my MPG.... I hope I can figure it out because I really should be getting more!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611581 08/10/05 08:55 PM

Anonymous

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Another kudo from me, Rick. You answered a LOT of questions I had about putting one of my spare 7Ms into the 1st gen project racer. It won't be a turbo, though, because it boots me waay up in competition class!

'92 Supra Turbo/Targa/5-speed basically stock (225RWHP/13.98@97MPH on stock boost)
'89 Supra Turbo/Targa/5-speed TD06/A'PEXi/Aeromotive (295RWHP/12.34@111MPH @ 14psi)
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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611582 08/29/05 06:36 PM

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Mudrunner

Well, this weekend was its real test. I drove up to TSF (~3 hours away) to run trails all day and then back home. It ran great all day long. Curently the cooling system isn't quite right. Running down the freeway in the cooler morning temperature the engine temp gauge was constantly cycling up and a down. But in the afternoon in the warmer temps it just stayed in the same spot (just below horizontal postion on the gauge). If I was running higher rpms and low speed the temp would climb until the electric fan kicked on. And then it would drop back down to normal and stay there as long as the fan was on. so I just left the fan override switch in the on position when I was on the trails so I didn't have to watch the gauge constantly going up and down. if I was on the gravel roads, I could turn the fan off and it would be fine. so it looks like I need to get a different thermostat and/or a different thermo switch for the fan because its not quite right, but I DO have enough cooling power with this V6 Truck radiator. I just don't like the temps cycling up and down.

As for motor performance, it seems like you can't lug this engine down like a 22R Series. if your keep it about 1200 rpms or more your fine, but any lower than that it seemed to stall out pretty easy. I stalled it out ALOT on takeoffs because I'm just not use to slipping the clutch that much compared to the old motor. Good thing I didn't use a ceramic clucth!!!

For gravel road running, this motor is awesome! I was able to keep the rpms right around 3000-4000 on the roads and on any corner you could lay into the throttle and start power sliding. The throttle around this rpm is also really smooth which is great for drifting because you could stay in control and really control the slide with just how much thorttle you give it. It was night and day different then the 22RE I had. With that you had to work on getting the slide to start with a small jerk of the wheel. and you only had so much power available. And the power band up in the high rpms is REALLY long. You have consistant power all the way up to 6000 rpm. and then when you shift you still have more power. with the 22R series, if you shift out of your gear, your pretty much bogging down and screwed! You can run the roads at lower RPM just fine, its just not as fun for drifting.

I tried some steep hill climbs and really liked how it felt. With this motor if your around 2000 rpm running a steep climb and want to accelerate, you can! just lay into teh throttle a little more and away you go. With the old motor I could do this but no where nearly as fast .

Heres some pictrues from the day....

TSF OHV, 7-up
[Linked Image]

TSF OHV, Little Crusher
[Linked Image]

But then on the way home all hell broke loose

Coburg rest stop on I-5
[Linked Image]

Well so much for this junkyard 7M, I lost the bottom end! Sounds like a rod bearing to me. Luckily I was only about 40 miles away from my house and I was able to make it to a rest stop! So I called up Wheelie_Pete for a tow to his house which was about 10-15 miles. Only to get pulled over my the Finest Coburg Highway Police. (These guys suppliment their city police budget with speed traps on I-5. The state actually had to put a limit on them because they where pulling in too many $$$) Anyways we where informed that it was illegal to tow with a tow strap! go figure...... in the end he said that he wasn't going to cite us, but he said someone else could, basically he said he was going to look the other way. Which was cool.... but it sucked to get harassed like that when all your trying to do is get your junk off the highway!! So after we got it to Petes, I was able to borrow Sky's Turbo Desiel and Trailer @ 11:00pm at night to get the 4runner back to my house. Its not WHAT you know, but its WHO you know!!! Thanks SKY!

So the bottom end is toast in the 7M and luckily I have about 10 days left on my warranty from the wrecking yard so I dealing with them to see whats the next step!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611583 08/30/05 08:27 PM

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Kansas

Kutter

Wheeler

Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the motor. I have been following you thread with much excitment. I have a silly noob question. I noticed the list of engines you considered at the begining of your project. I was wondering if a Toyota Solara 3.0L V6 would be a possible swap? I think they put out about 200hp and can take a TRD Supercharger to get around 240hp. I wondered if this could be a solution to the length problem of the Supra I/L6 that causes the airconditioner to be left out?
Good luck with the salvage yard.

1995 4Runner Limited V6 3.4 Liter 5 Speed 4x4
1995 4Runner V6 Auto 2WD

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: Kutter] #611584 08/30/05 11:46 PM

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Mudrunner

But does it bolt to my W56 Tranny using OEM toyota parts........

Maybe - I have no idea but probably not.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611585 08/31/05 12:18 AM

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Body Damage is Cool

Considering everything you've gone through so-far, replacing the shortblock or rebuilding the engine is simple. Stick with it; they really are great engines.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611586 08/31/05 09:08 PM

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Mudrunner

Just got off the phone with the wrecking yard. Sounds like I have two main options.

A) They exchange my motor for another junkyard motor from a symiliar make and model of donor car. I'm not sure about the warrantee on this but I think I would just rebuilt the complete motor becasue its probably going to be high miles.

B) They give me a ***** import motor with a 9 month warrantee or 9,000 miles guarenteed to have 30-40K miles. And I remove all my asseccories, intake, exhaust, sensors, etc. from my 89 cressida motor and install then on the ***** motor. Then I return the ***** motor asseccories and the head and block from my motor back to the wrecking yard. doing this I would have to pay for all the gaskets required.

So I took option B basically because I will have an extended warranty. This will also get me back on the road in the least amount of time with the least about of funds. Then if this one goes (knock on wood), I would probably just rebuilt it. So by the end of this week I should have a ***** motor from a 89 Supra that I will have to start working on.....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611587 09/02/05 06:00 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I picked up the ***** import motor today. So onto the pictures...

Got to love that flesh colored duct tape!

[Linked Image]

So to me it looks like the motor fell in the ocean on the way over.... I just can't believe how much oxidation there is on it.

Here's the best part - instead of draing the oil thru the DRAIN plug they drilled a hole in the oil pan and then stuffed some cotton type fiber in it!

[Linked Image]

Well looking down the intake, it looks pretty clean in there!! No carbon oil soot buildup like my previous motor.....

[Linked Image]

Plus the recess in the head between the valve covers is not filled with chocolate pudding crap like my previous motor!

[Linked Image]

and looking down the down the oil fill cap, it also looks pretty clean inside.

[Linked Image]

Well thats all the pictures for now..... Hopefully the outside appearance doesn't refect the inside of the motor!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611588 09/02/05 06:15 PM

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Mudrunner

I forgot to mention that I pulled the Y- tube after the TB off the plenum and that 6 bolt retangular plate off the top of the plenum and it looks really clean inside. There is no oil carbon sludge buildup in the plenum that is typical of these motors. Its kinda odd looking inside with a center butterfly thingy inbetween the #3 & #4 intake runner which is also right next to the cold start injector. I also pulled the valve covers and there is very little build up in there. the cams look like they have very little wear on them also, better then my current ones. I also pulled the plugs and they all look a nice shade of coco brown with no carbon or oil on them. the plugs where pretty loose and the inside of the intake spells like fuel, so I'm guessing they compression tested the motor before they pulled it from original car. I also looked down in the cylinders through the spark plug holes and the tops of the pistons do have some carbon build up on them but they all look pretty much all the same. So this motor does appear NOT to have any major wrong with it so far, unlike the first one I got with its blown head gasket!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611589 09/03/05 05:22 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I tore into the import motor some more today.... found a very funny looking puddle of black sludge in the #5 efi runner....

[Linked Image]

And then I found this in crap in the water pump...... I hope this is just someone setting this inlet end in the mud or something because if I find this crap in the block, I'm taking it back..... As it is, I'm going to ask the wrecking yard about it! Its odd because the inlet has got this mud crap in there but the outlet of the water pump looks like its got gear oil or something in it.....VERY STRANGE

[Linked Image]

All the intake valves got lots of crap sitting on them so I'm now almost positive I'm going to pull the head and go have a valve job done if the issue above is not a problem

[Linked Image]

And the exhaust ports look okay.... but the soot that is in the ports feels gritting and not powdering like exhaust carbon would feel like. yet another reason to just pull the head so it can be hot tanked.

[Linked Image]

Here a picture of the intake valve train. and no I didn't clean the inside of the valve cover - it looked like that when I pulled it off!

[Linked Image]

And a picture of the exhaust side valve train....

[Linked Image]

And this is pretty much how it sits right now until I can talk to the wrecking yard about the mud in the water pump!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611590 09/03/05 05:24 AM

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Mudrunner

Well I tore into the import motor some more today.... found a very funny looking puddle of black sludge in the #5 efi runner....

[Linked Image]

All the intake valves got lots of crap sitting on them so I'm now almost positive I'm going to pull the head and go have a valve job done if the issue above is not a problem

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611591 09/03/05 05:25 AM

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Mudrunner

Here a picture of the intake valve train. and no I didn't clean the inside of the valve cover - it looked like that when I pulled it off!

[Linked Image]

And a picture of the exhaust side valve train....

[Linked Image]

And this is pretty much how it sits right now until I can talk to the wrecking yard about the mud in the water pump!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611592 09/03/05 08:38 AM

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Boy, I'd be finding out where that came from; tsunami or hurricane. Sure looks like it did a little time pretending to be a reef or a floodwater rock.

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: kewlynx] #611593 09/07/05 05:49 AM

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Mudrunner

Well the Wrecking Yard gave me the OK for pulling the head to see what else I find. (I didn't want to void the warranty.) The head looks to be in pretty good condition except #1 cylinder is different in appearance.

Picture is HighRes - so please click on this link.....
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1448863-IM000711.JPG

And here is what the block looks like! UGH...

Picture is HighRes - so please click on this link.....
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1448870-IM000700a.JPG

All the exhaust side water jackets are really deformed and were probably leaking or would have leaked in the very near future.

#1 cylinder metal comression ring has a small gap in it and two badly deformed sections. I would consider this a blown headgasket! So that makes two engines now with a BHG!!!! #6 also is starting to deform and is kinda egg shaped.

On top of most of the pistons is this weird red fluid. kinda looks like red anti freeze but has a flameable smell to it like its some type of cleaner solution or something.

Also on top of most of the pistons and the sides of the cylinder walls is this loose hard debris stuff. Could just be carbon build up but I never seen carbon on the walls before. and just turning the engine of by hand seems like this crap would get stuck in the rings to me and start scaring the cylinder walls.

[Linked Image]

There is also green corrosion on the water ports on the intake side of the block. looking down in the water ports in the block I can also see lots more of that dark brown muddy crap inside the block!

To me this looks like a Core motor that should only be used for a rebuild and no way would it last 12 months or 12,000 miles!

So anyways, I'm not happy with the condition of this motor at all! I'm going to try to get another one from the wrecking yard. I really don't think I'm asking for too much.... Just a motor that is in good working order with a warrantee! And hopefully a motor that can last through the warrantee and more....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611594 09/07/05 11:52 PM

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Just got off the phone with the wrecking yard. They are getting me another import motor. So what I have to do is quickly bolt this one back together so its not in a pile of parts, so they can ship it back to their importer so they can get their money back. So as of right now, its looks like Friday or Monday I get drive back to the wrecking yard to trade this junk import motor for another import motor. Lets hope Motor #3 is in good working condition!!!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611595 09/08/05 08:20 AM

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Tonight I spent about 1 hours putting the motor back together. I was surprised that it didn't take longer.

[Linked Image]

I also received in the mail today my full gasket rebuild kit from www.gasketpro.com for $132. looks to be in good condition and has silicon valve cover gaskets, a fel-pro graphite head gasket and several viton seals....

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611596 09/14/05 04:33 PM

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I talked to the wrecking yard last night and it now looks like Thursday or Friday of this week motor #3 should in.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611597 09/14/05 09:08 PM

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Don't use that cork oilpan gasket, they are known to leak. I bought a tube of OEM Toyota RTV for around $11 or you can also use off-the-shelf gray RTV.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: BoostedInline6] #611598 09/16/05 04:10 PM

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I went to the wrecking yard last night to give them back Motor #2 and pick up Motor #3 and look what I found when I got there.....Two motors.... So I got to choose which one I wanted.

[Linked Image]

Well I never seen the intake on the left one so I grabbed that one. What can I say, I like oddities....Plus I'm still not sure which intake I'm going to use on my next go around.... It also looked just a tad cleaner than the other one.

[Linked Image]

Well now its time to tear it down and see what it looks like on the inside! Come to find out this intake had two butterflies in it and two TPS's??? Strange..... But it looks pretty clean on the inside of it, so thats good. I'm going to have to do some research on this intake because the more I look at it, the more questions I have.....

[Linked Image]

Inside the plenum also looks clean......

[Linked Image]

The EFI Runners look pretty clean...

[Linked Image]

So now we are down to the intake side of the head and it starting to look more what I expected to see..... more build up of crap in the head. But for this engine it still looks pretty normal to me. and all the cylinders look the same, which is a good thing!

[Linked Image]

And here is the exhaust side. It does have carbon build up but to me again it looks like a normal level of build up and every cylinder looks the same.

[Linked Image]

Time to pull the water pump. Much cleaner then the last one but I was surprised to see some build up of sediment in the right side cavity.......... But atleast this one actualy had soem coolant left in there.

[Linked Image]

The Timing belt, sprockets, tension look to be in good shape.....

[Linked Image]

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611599 09/16/05 04:12 PM

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The inside of the valve covers look kinda crappy! just more burnt oil build up than I expected to see.

[Linked Image]

The valve train looks good....

[Linked Image]

Well now for the time of truth! Time to pull the HEAD!

[Linked Image]

#6 cylinder head gasket is BADLY deformed, two spot pulled in slightly and one spot really pushed out. It doesn't look blown to me and the metal crush ring is still intact but it would have NOT lasted very long in that condition!

[Linked Image]

#4 & #3 look acceptable.......

[Linked Image]

#1 is also BADLY deformed and it was even to teh point wher teh piston was starting to hit it. But again it doesn't appear to have actually blown, YET.....

[Linked Image]

And here is what the valves look like. Much better than the first two motors.

[Linked Image]

Well, right now I'm not sure what I'm going to do. But I really don't see anything here that I can complain about other then the head gasket was on the verge of blowing. But thats not a big deal since I pulled the head and had plans to replace that anyways. As long as it had NOT blown and damaged the bearings in the bottom end, I should be fine.

I think what I'm going to have done is a professional Head Job, Send the injectors in for a cleaning and maybe inspect the bottom end bearings. But I hate disturbing the bottom end since that would probably void teh warranty I curerntly have. I should cost out the price to have the bottom end fully checked out and balanced also.....I just have to think about it some more before I do anything.....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611600 09/16/05 05:07 PM

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For those that are interested here is some good info on trying to convert a shorty straight 7M intake to a long Y-Pipe intake.
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309728

Basically Cressida's and Tubro Supra's have a shorty straight intake like this:
[Linked Image]

And N/A Supras have a long Y-pipe with a plenum that is equipped with ACIS (Acoustic Control Induction System) and look like this:
[Linked Image]

I'm still not sure which intake I'm going to use but I'm thinking I will use the Supra Y-intake and plenum with my Cressida Thottle Body.....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611601 09/16/05 07:39 PM

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The oddball intake plenum and two butterflies control the traction control system; something I never knew the JDM 7Ms had. When slip is detected by the wheel sensors, the ECU closes the second butterfly to reduce engine power. Unless you have the JDM ECU, I wouldn't use the TCS manifold.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: BoostedInline6] #611602 09/16/05 08:50 PM

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From my understanding so far, the TRC system is rare even in Japan for a 7M engine. right now I just want some info on it. I would like to use it for the oddity factor and just disable the second butterfly.

[Linked Image]

I'm still trying to identify this strange intake and I started a post over on Supra Forums directly related to it. So I thought I would post a link to that thread. Hopefully the guys over there can figure it out. I've also called a Toyota Parts Guy and he is working on it for me also.

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312981

Heres the serial number on the block - anybody got a reference sheet by serial numbers??

7M 0381113

And here are some part numbers off the odd parts.

Thorttle Body
22030-42020

TPS's (both of them have the same numbers)
89452-14050
198500-0241

TRC device (I have no idea whats it really called)
89632-30020

Can anyone look up those numbers in some master toyota parts list???

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611603 09/23/05 04:05 PM

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I got the head back from the machine shop yesterday from Motor #3.

[Linked Image]

This motor didn't look like it had very many miles so I didn't have a "complete" head job done with grinding the valves and all of that.

What I did have them do is:
* Dis-assemble the head
* Hot tank it to clean it all up
* Remove the broken exhaust stud
* Surface the head (took .012" off to clean it up)
* Install new valve and cam seals
* Re-assemble the head.

That cost $95 so it wasn't too bad. But atleast now I know its all in good working order and nice & clean.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611604 09/23/05 07:28 PM

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That was a good price for what was done. I paid more than that and still ended up doing the valve stem seals myself.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611605 10/03/05 06:33 PM

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Well I worked on the 4runner all weekend long!

Friday night:
I basically got everything removed from the front of the engine bay. (grill, winch, fan, radiator, power steering, alternator, water pump, distrubitor, charcoal canister, coil, afm, etc...)

Saturday morning:
I finished preping Motor #1 to get it pulled out of the 4runner.

Saturday afternoon:
I got motor #1 pulled and set onto a motor crate in the garage. I also got the garage organized so I could transfer everything from motor #1 onto motor #3, which was a BARE short block on a engine stand.

Saturday evening:
I started assembling Motor #3 and I wasted a lot of time trying to adapter that Import motor Y-intake and plenum to use my US model Cressida Throttle Body. In the end I decided it was more work that I wanted to get involved with and just decided to install all the US model cressida intake, plenum and TB onto the new motor #3. Except I did remove the EGR system because the head on the import motor was not set up for the EGR. And as a bonus, I now don't have to worry about my EGR hitting the firewall because it was REALLY close before.

Sunday morning:
I finished assembling motor #3 and got it on the cherry picker.

Sunday Afternoon:
I got motor #3 dropped back into the 4runner. Then I started hooking back up the wiring harness and putting the assesories back onto the new motor while it was in the 4runner. Basically the less you have on the engine, the easier it is to pull and install. Pulling the engine was pretty easy because I removed the water pump. But on the reinstall I accidently already had the water pump installed and I really had to fight it to get it back into the engine bay. But I got it!

Sunday evening:
I worked on getting my 210 York mounted to the 7MGE. That really went pretty fast because I had most of the mounting brackets already made from the first time I installed the motor and mocked up the brackets. but then I got to the point where I needed a belt before I could go any farther and the auto stores where already closed. So that pretty much ended the work for the evening because I need to finalize the York before I start putting the radiator back in the vehicle. Just for the fact that the engine bay is really tight and with teh radiator out, its much easy to mock up the york brackets.

I'm hopping to have it up and running by this next weekends club fun run......

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611606 10/04/05 07:53 AM

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Well heres a picture of my weekend progress.....

[Linked Image]

Here's a picture of the two OBA brackets I made for the york 210. Nice and simple....

[Linked Image]

Heres how they look when they are bolted to the York.

[Linked Image]

And then to the motor.

[Linked Image]

Front view of everything installed. and its just an optical illusion that makes the belt looks like it hitting touching the water pump pulley. I ended up using a 377K4 belt which fit perfectly!

[Linked Image]

Bottom view of everything installed. And yes, the york is close to the frame rail but I doubt it will ever touch.

[Linked Image]

So here it is with all the belts installed on the 7M with the alternator in the factory position, Power steering moved to the driver side of the engine and the york mounted where the power steering was orignally.

[Linked Image]

And here is how it looks now. I've almost got this Motor #3 completely installed and now with OBA!

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611607 10/07/05 06:22 PM

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Motor #3 is now completely installed! It fired right up on the first turn of the Key!!! I love it when that happens!!!

I got all the fluid levels topped off, checked the timing and took it for a drive. Feels just like the last motor, so I hope thats a good thing. To me it still feels kinda doggy at highway speeds from what I would expect but the first motor felt the same way.

The last motor had a 195 degree thermostat in it, so for this motor I installed a 180 degree thermostat and so far that seems to have stopped the temperature from constantly changing while driving at freeway speeds so thats another plus.

I also found out that I have a noisy bearing on the pulley side of the alternator which makes the engine sound funny, so I need to get that fixed ASAP....

Plus the OBA even works! Its got a small leak at the pressure switch, but it works!! I've got a few little things to check over before this weekends run, but nothing major. Its mostly just little stuff that I need to tidy up and I need to double check everything to make sure its trail ready.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611608 10/11/05 08:26 PM

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Figure its time to update this thread again since I got Motor #3 out on the trail this last weekend.

The 4runner seemed to run pretty good and pretty much identical to Motor#1. And I said this about the first motor bu tI will say it again - Running up those mountain gravel roads was AWESOME! Before with the 22RE I would have to run 3rd or 4th low range up gravel roads and then if I wanted to drift a corner I would have to whip the steering wheel a bit and sometimes even blip the clutch to break the rear loose so it'll float out and around the corners. With this new motor I was running 2nd gear high range which was around 3500 rpm and then on the corners I would just give it more gas and the rear tires would just break loose and start to drift and then you start counter steering and that with the 36" iroks aired down to 5 psi. It was EXTREMELY smooth and controlled and not whippy or felt like it would loop out. And you could totally control the slide with the amount of gas you give it! Plus this motor LOVES the higher RPM's. What I mean by that is it really starts producing the power around 4000-5500 rpm and it doesn't even really sound wound up like the 22R/RE motors at that RPM. I think its also has to due to the fact that it has a wider power band compared to the 4 cylinders so you can stay on the gas longer before you need to shift.

I also crawled on the rocks and it felt pretty nice but I still need to get use to the feel for the clutch and where it engages. I think I only killed it a couple of times....

[Linked Image]

When I got back home I found a several minor problems, Some I knew about on teh trail, others I didn't......

I found a coolant leak on the back of the head. not sure where its coming from yet. just something I need to keep an eye on so I can figure out how to fix it. I think its just coming from a hose, but there are several back there and they are all a PITA to get to. and all I found was some coolant drips on the back of the head, so right now I have no idea where they came from. The coolant level was also down just a bit. Also the 180 degree thermostat really calmed down teh thermostat. Its not contantly going up and down any more.

The front of my motor has an oil leak. I'm not sure if thats coming from inside the timing cover or the front of the oil pan. So I'm going to have to watch that one also to figure out where its coming from.

The power steering pump also seems to have a little seepage. Kinda like the hoses are sweating..... I'll probably just leave that one alone for now since I really need to install a hydro assist setup. I don't think this Cressida/Supra PS pump has the flow or pressure compared to the Truck pumps because I was having lots of problems steering at idle. More than before. Although I just figured out that the supra also specs out ATF fluid for the power steering and not Standard Power Steering Fiuld which is what I filled it up with, Oops......

A hose melt on my OBA system. It was just too close to the exhaust, I would have thought 4-5" was far enough away but I guess not.

I also had some weird noises coming from my bell housing when I was on steep climbs. When I got home I found out that it was from a bolt that came out of my pressure plate assembly and ended up making some noises against my flywheel teeth in the bellhousing. So that means I should drop the tranny and get that fixed.....

When I was working under there I found a huge dent in my exhaust... I think this was from me jumping a that big whoop-dee on one of the gravel roads. - I was just going to fast and caught too much air...... With the old motor I would just float this bump with with the new motor I was just going to fast and landed it pretty hard.....But it was fun! Also the front axle appears to have survived it! Good thing I have plug welded and gussested balls.

[Linked Image]

Whats weird about that dent in the exhuast is its 3" to my bump stops with probably another 1/2" to max compression. But its 6" to the dent!!! So it must of been when I jumped the 4runner and it axle wrapped the rest of the way up and self clearanced itself...... really strange. Anyways I'm going to have to go back to the exhaust shop and have them make the exhaust a little tighter to the bell housing.

The alternator also had a dry bearing so I took that off and took it it apart. Well the brushes where also badly worn so I just took it to a local shop rebuild shop. I just got off the phone with them and they said that alternator was a 90 Amp one. Which is odd becasue Napa told be the Cressida was equppied with a 80A alternator. and a remaned one from them was going to run about $140 + core. So the electric shop told me that the rebuild with new bearings and brushes that would cost ~ $60. Then he said he could bump it up to 120Amps for about another $50. So I'm having him do that. That should make a nice alternator that should last a long time for $110. especially since the alternator on the 7M is on top of the motor unlike the 22R series where its down in the mud! Its a bit more than I was wanting to put into it right now, but that will make a nice setup running my dual batteries and my winch. I wonder if 120Amps is enough to run a onboard welder???

So far I'm happy with the performance of this motor #3.... I just got some minor bugs to work out as far as leaks and squeaks go....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611609 10/13/05 12:20 AM

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NYT100

Mudrunner

I looked up the part numbers at the dealer and several do not have a current description: 22030-42020, 79850-00241, 89632-30020. I looked in the national listing and none of them were available and none had a description.

89452-14050- TPS Sensor for: 4Runner, Truck, Camry, Cressida, Landcruiser, Supra.

97 T100, 32" BFG/AT, Warn hubs, stock height with Bilstein shocks, Optima battery

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: NYT100] #611610 10/21/05 09:03 PM

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Thought I should update the timeline since I'm now techinally on motor #3 ....

June 06, 2005 - decide that I'm going to do a 7M motor swap.

June 10, 2005 - Got motor from wrecking yard.

June 18, 2005 - Pulled 22RE from the 4Runner.

June 26, 2005 - 7M installed into 4runner.

Jul 08, 2005 - Drove it for the first time.

Aug 29, 2005 - After 1200 miles, I spun #4 rod bearing. luckily I still had 10 days left on the warranty.

Sep 01, 2005 - Got #2 7M from the wrecking yard.

Sep 16, 2005 - Returned #2 7M because after my inspection it turned out to be crap and the wrecking yard got me #3 7M.

Oct 07, 2005 - #3 7M is now installed and driving.

Oct 21, 2005 - After two trail runs and about 300 miles, the engine is still running good but my new throwout bearing is making some noise and the front of the motor has a small oil leak, Hopefully this weekend I can tackle those issues.....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611611 11/09/05 09:45 PM

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I had a person asking me about the FSM schematics for the 89' Cressida so I scanned them and figure I would post links to them here.

Power source, Starting, Charging Schematic
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1464183-schematic1.GIF

ECU Schematic
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1464184-schematic2.GIF

Sorry they are so big but it was a PITA to scan these and then put them together digitally onto one file with my crappy photo editing software.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611612 11/17/05 07:48 PM

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I just heard that there is a photo of my 7M swap into my 85 4runner in the "motor swap section" of the Nov/Dec '05 issue of the 4WD Toyota Owners magazine....

[Linked Image]

So of course I had to order a copy of it to check it out..... I think this
is the photo that was used.

[Linked Image]

I didn't write the article - I just was asked to submit a photo to the writter. So we will see what it says....

Last weekend I also got a chance to play in the snow. If you haven't see the video, here it is.... 3:30 mins ~9MB
http://www.rcpics.net/img/68310

The 3rd motor has been running good and I think the gas mileage is still simliar to the first motor (13 mpg) although it might be a tad better but I have still yet to have a good long distance road test to know for sure.

But I'm still having occasion overheating issues when I'm at high rpms and low speeds. So I've decided to add a hood vent to increase the air flow though the engine bay. I have no idea how it will really work, but I figured it couldn't hurt the situation....

So I searched around a bit and I couldn't find anything I really like for a pre-made hood vent/scoop. plus I wanted to add one on each side of the engine so water and crap wouldn't get directed right on top of the motor and down inbetween the valve covers of the 7M so I decided to make my own 'nostril' type hood vents for a ram air effect that will force the air down on each side of theengine using a piece of mandel bent tubing. I'm also hoping that this curved piece will keep crap off my air filter. So this was my oringal idea....

[Linked Image]

So the first thing I did was to make a cardboard template of the curved hood profile and started cutting on that. when I was satisfied with the profile I transfered that to the hood and started cutting. Then I cut the tubing down to the profile I wanted and slowly ground on the hole until it was a tight fit. so far its turning out pretty nice for about the hour I was working on it.

[Linked Image]

It looks a little funky now but thats okay.... I'm hoping that once I get it welded into place and bondo on it and painted the same color, it should look better and more like a part of the hood instead of a scabbed on piece of metal in the shape of a shoe horn.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611613 11/18/05 01:52 AM

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CJM

Body Damage is Cool

My hood I have a 7MGTE going under it .... http://www.toyotafiberglass.com

large "vent" in the back @ the cowl .

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Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611614 11/18/05 01:58 AM

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Rick, what's up? This is Tate, I just found this forum, just bought a T100, nice swap, later.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611615 11/18/05 06:26 AM

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Mudrunner

Hey Tate - Life is good here - Pete and I still have the toyota cold war going. Next time your down this way, we should go wheeling!

I got the driver side hood vent made today and the hood cut.

[Linked Image]

I also got the vents bead blasted and the hood sanded down and ready for welding...

[Linked Image]

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611616 11/18/05 04:42 PM

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Mudrunner

Here is a copy of the article from 4wd Toyota Owners Magazine.
http://www.4wdtoyotaowner.com/

Click to load the article pages:
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4

If your browser automatically resized the images, they will look like crap, so view them in full size....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611617 11/18/05 06:19 PM

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I'm in Bend half time and Eugene the other half, I'll be sure and meet up with you guys. The 35's go on in a week or so but I need to stuff some 4.88's and a locker in there before I'll even try to follow you and Pete. Do you know anyone trying to unload some 35's, I hate paying retail. later, nice intake

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611618 11/22/05 05:02 PM

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hood vent welded

[Linked Image]

welds ground down

[Linked Image]

bondo

sanded

painted

Eventually I will get around to sanding the whole hood down and repainting the whole thing but for now this will work. Just wanted to make sure I could use the rig during turkey weekend....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611619 12/01/05 06:43 AM

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Mudrunner

Heres what I noticed so far from the hood vents:

I can still overheat the motor with high RPM's and low speeds - I'm not surprised....

Might be a touch more throttle response and power at higher speeds. I suspect that its just from more airflow under the hood and cooler fresh air getting into the motor - or it could be just in my head.

Temperature of my intake and plenum are lower after extended freeway driving. Before it was HOT to the touch and now its just warm.

With the engine warm and at a idle you can feel the heat escaping out the vents. which I believe in turn also lets the engine cool down faster when it gets overheated. Which I have experienced - its defintely cools down faster went its overheated even with it parked and at an idle.

I also finally got around to testing my thermal fan switch and its dead - so I have to get another one.... Luckily that was covered under its warranty because its only 5 month old.

Also with this little adventure a couple trips ago:

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With me winching myself up and out of the ditch where my nose was buried into the ground, I ended up litteral shoving tons of mud, sticks and rocks thru my fairlead, under the winch and right into my electric fan..... I tried hosing out that area with the garden hose but that didn't work. I ended up removing the winch and hosed on the fan for like 30 minutes trying to get all the crap out. I even needle nosed some leafs and sticks out of the fan. I got most of it, but not all of it. You could still hear rocks bouncing around inside the fan.

So I'm now in the process of taking some sheetmetal and making a fan shroud spaced slightly away from the radiator to hopefully allow any crap that gets in there to be flushed down and away from the radiator. also it should help the cooling issues since now the fan will be blowing air over the whole radiator surface instead of just the cross-section of the fan. I'm also planning on make some type of dirt guard on the lower part of teh fan so this won't happen again.

Unfortunately those rocks and sticks messed up the front of the radiator pretty good. basically it just bent over all the fins on the outer 1" diameter or so from the fan. so after about an hour with a small screwdriver I got those straightened back out now. But since everything is so tight aroudn teh hood latch and the bumper - its going to be a challange to make everything fit.

So here is the start of the fan shroud. Its a piece of 18 GA sheet.

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Unfortionately with adding the fan shroud, that is going to move the fan out another 3/4". Which is good for air flow but not good for my winch clearance. doing this is forcing me to totally rework my winch plate.......

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See the fan use-to-be mounted flush against the front surface of the radiator.

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Which also means I had to nibble some material off the cross tube on my all-pro winch bumper to make clearance for the fan..... Then I capped it off with some sheetmetal. Its not pretty but atleast its sealed....

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This is pretty much the finished fan shroud. I also formed the edges to give it some more rigidity... for attaching the fan to the shroud, I just weled some nuts on the back side of the shroud. The only think I got left to do is to cut a small hole in it so I can connect the wiring harness back to the electric fan thermal switch.

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611620 12/02/05 05:07 PM

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Mudrunner

Well last night I got the New Shroud & Fan installed, along with everything else. I ended up reworking the hood latch to make everything fit properly. Boy is that a tight fit now!!!! But now it fits. Now I'm in the process of reworking the winch mount so I can move the winch out ~ 1 1/4" because as it sits now, I can't bolt the winch back in since I moved the fan out ~3/4" and I only had 3/8" of clearence before. What a PITA!

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611621 12/03/05 07:14 AM

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Mudrunner

Heres how I modified the AllPro Winch Bumper. Basically I cut the front of the winch plate off and moved the winch out 1 3/8".

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Heres how the final product turned out....

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And here you can see the hole that I left right after the fairlead so if I bury the front of the 4runner into the ground or enbankment, the dirt and rocks will get forced out the bottom instead of being carried under the winch and into the fan like it did before.

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And now I have 1" of clearance between the end of the fan and the back of the winch!!!

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We will see how it works out this weekend!

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611622 12/05/05 06:27 PM

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Mudrunner

The fan shroud is working great.... I went on a snow run and the only time it would start to overheat is when the front bumper was 100% packed with snow. In the picture below it was still running at normal temperature and I would consider it 95% packed. you can see the hole in the snow on the driver side where the fan was still getting air flow. there was also another small air flow hole on the passenger side. and if you looked in those holes you could see a large cavity behind the winch that was also snow free. As long as those passages stayed clear, the motor would keep cool. before the fan shroud it would only take a couple inches of snow on the top surface of the bumper before the motor would start overheating. I also ran it pretty hard going up the mountain to get to the deep snow and it stayed nice and cool. So I'm extremely happy with the results.

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Now the only other issues I'm fighting is my OBA belt. My brackets are slightly off and these flat multi-rib belts are not as forgiving as the v-belts are for how much misalignment they can take. So far I've trashed 3 OBA belts and one alternator belt..... That should be fairly easy to fix, just have to rework the main bracket some.

That and I'm not real happy with the gas mileage. this last snow run I got 6.4 mpg. I usually get around 10 mpg on the typical trail run. And on the freeway driving at 70 mph for 300 miles, I averaged around 13.5 mpg. I was told that I should be getting around 16 mpg on the highway....

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611623 12/05/05 06:40 PM

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Minnesota

bkg

Roll Me Over

So given the mileage and performance, would you do the swap again?

Brian K. Gallus
I have nothing important to say.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: bkg] #611624 12/05/05 09:47 PM

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Mudrunner

Yes, I would do the swap again. the additional power and torque make the vehicle way funner to drive - But it would probably be to a Taco 3.4...... easier to find a good motor, better fit, easier to cool but it would have probably cost just a touch more.

Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611625 12/07/05 09:35 AM

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Virginia Beach, VA

87Toy4x4

Body Damage is Cool

i noticed your occupation is listed as a mechanical engineer. you are my motivation to get finish my college education and get my mechanical engineering degree. i know the education had to help out in the engine swap and the fab stuff you do. its my first time viewing this thread and i just spent an hour and a half reading it(its currently 3:23AM haha). it is by far one of the best writeups i have ever seen. thanks for taking the time and doing it.

87 22R PU, 2? body lift, 33? BFG muds, 4.88's, F&R Lock-Rights, Rancho Shocks, EB's Street RV Head w/ 268 Cam, LCE Header, 2" to 2 1/4" exhaust, Flowmaster 50 series, Magnaflow high flow cat, complete Herculined SR5 interior, V6 BB, MC, and calipers.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611626 12/09/05 11:30 PM

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Congradulations on your swap. Very clean indeed. This is by far the best tech write up I've seen on this swap. I did this swap last summer (04) and also am very happy with it. Wish I had this when I did mine. I used a 2" body lift, which let me use the stock Supra rad, let me raise the engine so the ac would clear the steering box and gave me more clearance around the firewall and pb booster. Also let me raise gas tank and cross member up for more ground clearance. I hacked up my core support to move the rad forward and used two 12" puller fans. Fabed upper and lower core braces and was able to use stock hood latch and ac condenser. Installed 9" pusher fan for ac. (I'm in Tx.) The only problem so far is leaky valve seals. Also I mistakingly left off the altitude compensator. I thought "HAC" was something to do with the heat and AC on the wiring schematic.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611627 12/10/05 12:56 AM

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Redding, California

84toyota

Mudrunner

Lugnut914 - Just curious - what kind of mileage are you getting from your swap? Any idea on power estimates? How about total cost for the swap?

Ken

1984 Toyota 4x4 Truck, 4.88's, 32x11.50's, weber 32/36, aux gas tank, Warn 9500i, SR5 guages, tilt/altimeter, Alpine stereo with dual 12's behind the seats.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 84toyota] #611628 12/15/05 08:09 PM

Anonymous

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18mpg around town. I got lucky on ebay and found someone in sacramento who had started this swap then lost interest and had to move. Got rebuilt engine, newclutch, bellhousing, ac, acc., wiring and computor plus lots of spares and new parts for around $900, including air freight. Picked up complete Supra for $100. So I figure I got around $1500. Made my own exhaust. Most went for plumbing (mainly ac hoses). Around 200HP with KN filter and 2.5 exhaust. Just guessin'.

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap #611629 12/15/05 09:15 PM

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Body Damage is Cool

I strongly suspect that Rick's motor is running in open loop all the time to get mileage numbers that low. The HAC sensor is something I didn't think of; it is mounted externally from the ECU on pre-89 Supras...mine is below the glovebox and 1.5' of wires connect it to the ECU.

Consider this, I think the NA 7M has 305 cc injectors. I have burn through nearly 3/4 of a tank of gas at the track where my car is either idling for hours or at WOT. My turbo injectors are nearly twice the size at 550 cc and my lowest mileage has been 14 mpg. Have you smogged the 4Runner with this engine or checked the A/F ratio with a wideband O2 meter?

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: BoostedInline6] #611630 12/15/05 10:58 PM

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Mudrunner

What does the HAC (High Altitude Compensation) sensor look like? I'm almost positive that I don't have it. Do I have to have it or can I jumper something? My ECU is a from a 89 cressida. I know on the supra's the '89 + models had it built into the ECU - I have no idea on the cressidas. and no I haven't checked the A/F ratio but its on my things to do. Oh and I don't have smog in my area.

I don't see anything on my electrical schematic for the ECU that refers to a HAC sensor.http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1464184-schematic2.GIF

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Project Quasimodo
'85 Xtra Cab (2wd, 22RTE, Auto => 4wd, 3RZ, w56, 2.28x4.70)

Re: 4RnrRick is getting a 7M-GE / 7MGE Motor swap [Re: 4RnrRick] #611631 03/31/06 09:06 AM

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