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Re: project "PUP" [Re: CPOM] #624566 09/17/06 09:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 534
Rezkid Offline
Rock Warrior
Sweet, nice to finally see the beast see the light of day <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


'80 Isuzu LUV, 3" BL, cranked t-bars, small tires and not alotta power
'92 Rodeo...work in progress
Hmmmm...DIRT!!!
Re: project "PUP" [Re: Rezkid] #624567 09/17/06 11:00 PM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,007
Richard Saylor Offline
Roll Me Over
*****
Awesome job Chris! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Richard <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


Had an 89 Isuzu Pickup
Had a 94 Mitsubishi Eclipse
84 Honda XL185S
Had an 89 Isuzu Trooper w/ 3.4 V6
01 Toyota Tundra SR5 V8 4Door Access Cab
http://community.webshots.com/user/rsayloriii
Re: project "PUP" [Re: TrooperJ] #624568 09/22/06 06:27 PM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,285
CPOM Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
Here is the writeup of my dash.



The first thing I had to decide was materials to use.


-Sheet steel
-Stainless
-Aluminum (brushed , treadplate etc)
-Polycarbonate (Lexan)
-Acrylic (Plexiglas)

I did not want to bother with any material that was heavy and difficult to cut. Steel is very heavy, pain to drill through, especially to make round holes for gauges. This would require an expensive set of hole saws --- my collection is pretty weak. I tried once to torch cut sheet and it was a nightmare. No access to bling cnc machines either. Stainless would be the same but with the added pricetag.

A metal dash I am guessing would do little to absorb/reflect sound and heat also.

My next option was aluminum which is a joy to work with for a hack like me but (I thought) would be too expensive. Onlinemetals.com.040-.050 sheet for reasonable prices (come to find out) so this may be a decent option.

That left me with plastics. Lexan/polycarbonate is about as expensive as aluminum and has the added bonus of a bullet proof variety but that seemed not worth the expense. So I decided to use acrylic sheet.

Acrylic is cheap and extremely easy to work with. It is light and can be bent and cut with easily available tools. My idea was to build a template and as my dashboard needs change I can at any time rip it out, trace it again and transfer stuff over to the new dash.

Below was my first mockup. I removed the stock dash trim piece ( a curved piece of stamped steel) and used it as the top brace for the plastic. The great thing about the acrylic is that I could bolt it down to the curved trim piece and it folowed the contour of the dash area with minimal effort.\

[Linked Image]

The bottom edge of the dash is supported by a 3/4"x.125" bar of aluminum I bought at homedepot. It is drilled and bolted to the dash with #10-3/8" flathead pan head machine screws.

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Here is the supports I used some 1" wide strips of .075" steel sheet. Bent it in a vice and drilled holes in it. Used the same hardware to hold it. the dash is supported entirely across the top and bottom using this method but is still allowed to flex to make the curve.

The most important lesson in working with acrylic is below:
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You have to modify your bits for a much more acute cutting edge. Professional acrylic bits have a number of key features that make them different than steel bits, but you can make a decent plastic but with minimal effort on the grinding wheel. Even if you ground the bit to a point it will still work. A good bit will twist out the shavings and a bad bit will just burn through the plastic. Which is still OK. You just break off the "slag" with your fingers.

An unmodified steel bit will dig in too agressively and crack the plastic.

Another important note is you must use a larger bit to chamfer holes after drilling. This must be done on both sides to elimiate sharp edges that could concentrate stresses and crack the plastic.

For cutting, all the onlime manuals tell you to use a straightedge and a sharp blade, score the plastic and smash it quickly off a table to break along the score line. I tried this but it did not work so well. I would scratch the plastic and shoot off in tangents from the guide.

I used my trusty ryobi 4.5" angle grinder with cut off wheels!! What I did was prop up the underside of the sheet with a piece of angle iron parallel with the planned cut offset about an inch, then carefully ran the grinder down the mark. The wheel will slice right through the plastic but the "slag" will refill the void much like torch cutting. I would then just snap the pieces. Quick and dirty but it was easy.

Hole cutting was a breeze.
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Just support the whole sheet so it doesn't bend.



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To add to this low-budget dash, I cut out the warning light strip from my stock gauge cluster, again with the cut off wheel keeping just the little windows. I took the film with the icons on it and cut it with scissors and used superglue to keep the icons I wanted and remove those I did not.


My plan was to use the stock bulbs and solder some wire to them but their mounting orientaion made that difficult. So I took a piece of scrap aluminum and drilled holes in it for LEDs.
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One word of caution but if you buy generic LEDs many are not rated for 12V out of the box and you have to add an inline resistor. These for instance required a 680ohm 1/2W resistor, each. (no pic of that sorry).


I thought the clear plastic was kind of cheesy so I tried something different. You can of course paint the acrylic sheet but if you paint behind the sheet only it will create a cool effect. The plastic will then appear opaque in that color. I used some primer and "chalkboard" paint but any will probably work. No surface prep.



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The other cool thing about working with the acrylic you can see above is that you have the option of mouting stuff behind the sheet and masking out windows to protect the instruments and gauges. If you wanted you could mount your whole setup behind and mask the whole thing out.

For the masking I used blue painters tape and did a straight edge, then when the paint dired did another straight edge until I formed a box. But you could cut out pieces of paper to mask off boxes if you wanted. I actually mounted the gauge clusters first, then masked off the area I wanted on the front of the dash, removed the gauges and flipped the piece over to work on the back.


Installed. Does not photograph well because the flash bounces off the surface.
[Linked Image]


back side:
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I saved connectors from my stock wiring harness and used one for the switch panel and one for the gauges. This way the whole dash is easily removeable. Just make sure the connectors are up to the load if you are using them to carry any high current circuits. The other hole is for my matching digital tach. I also recommend putting down some mdf or similar as a work surface so you don't scratch the panel while you work on it.





Switch panel
[Linked Image]
headlights, wipers, washer, and fan auto/off switch.
The leds come on with the illumination circuit and the 0-50K ohm pot makes it so they don't blind you. You could wire in permanent resistors if you wanted to dim the LEDs also. These are just to find the switches at night they do not indicate anything.

This panel is .040 aluminum that came with a radioshack project box. I think mounting the switches directly in the dash is a bad idea from the stress of flipping them might crack the acrylic. In this case I can remove the panel easily and add another switch.

[img]http://www.pup4x4.com/projectpup/44/14.JPG[/img]
Everything is wired to work correctly except the oil light. The oil pressure gauge has its own warning light for <18psi but it's not a real attention getter, I might add a seperate low oil pressure sender later to use the bright warning light.


CHRIS
98 Amigo, 92 Pup

need a pickup 1st gen fuel level sender
Re: project "PUP" [Re: CPOM] #624569 09/23/06 02:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,111
HCMP Offline
Body Damage is Cool
The dash is turning out pretty cool. Very knight rider
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

but where are the cup holders?


when looking for a container to hold drained brake fluid, find a container that is different from the beverage you are currently consuming.
Re: project "PUP" [Re: HCMP] #624570 09/23/06 03:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,016
strawmyers Offline
Isuzu Moderator
You have a lot of work in that truck; but it paid off in a big way. The ride height is amazing for a spring-over SAS! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> I like the dash too. Reminds me of the view when sitting inside of one of the racing arcade game from 'back in the day'. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Sean Strawmyer
Back and ready to rock...... crawl.

From Indiana or surrounding states and interested in wheelin'? Check out www.mwior.com

Re: project "PUP" [Re: TrooperJ] #624571 10/04/06 07:27 PM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,285
CPOM Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
Stripped the heater controls down to what I have left, and built a bracket for it.
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Finished the dash added my tach.
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To hook up my evap and egr system, I needed an alternate way to control it besides computer controlled solenoids. Ported vacuum was suggested to me to be the easiest way to do it. To build the port I tapped a hole in the throttle body just infront of the blade and put in a piece of 3/16 brakeline threaded with 5x1.0mm threads and loctite
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Then used a dremel with a carbide bit to cut it down flush.
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This port should supply vacuum only during part-throttle cruising and should be "off" during idle and WOT.

I tested it last night and the only thing I'm concerned with is it doesn't build much vacuum until about 2500 rpms. Not sure if it should kick in just off-idle...

I decided to use the stock EGR housing and plumbing and find a mechanical valve with a flat mounting surface to re-mount here. I tried to match up the gaskets from the GM solenoid to the mechanical EGR catalog but no mechanical ones have the same mounting pattern. So I cut the studs off and used a mechanical egr gasket I found as a template to drill and tap.
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This valve came with a bag of restrictor things that might let me fine tune the exhaust gas settings. I just picked the middle one.
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Bolted up and attached a vac line from a T off my new port and should be done with it. The other end of the T connects to the evap canister purge port. Hopefully there will be enough vacuum when I open up the throttle a lot to open the egr and I don't "lose" the vacuum on the evap canister. I think if it does not open fully I could step down the tube size on the canister side to restrict it a bit.
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the engine bay is pretty much done. Reloomed all the wires. I even went as far as hooking up a bunch of sensors that aren't needed by the megasquirt and their pigtails just to make it look like the engine is stock-ish. Camaro map sensor , R+L O2 sensors, IAC valve, etc.
[Linked Image]

Amigo fenders on a Pup!! They stick out 2-3 inches wider and the flares match up. You can see I got more tire coverage for the front axle which is about 2" wider than my rear.
[img]http://www.pup4x4.com/projectpup/46/11.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.pup4x4.com/projectpup/46/12.JPG[/img]


CHRIS
98 Amigo, 92 Pup

need a pickup 1st gen fuel level sender
Re: project "PUP" [Re: CPOM] #624572 10/04/06 11:36 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,156
bob large Offline
Body Damage is Cool
WOW! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

How close are you to being done?


Steve C
Re: project "PUP" [Re: bob large] #624573 10/05/06 12:28 AM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,285
CPOM Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
Thanks for the props. I have to build a parking brake (using a toy t-case rotor, rodeo handle, and go kart caliper), put the doors on, get plates/reg and start doing some tuning.

The junkyard alt I bought last year has been identified as draining my battery while it is off, ordered 2 from a J/Y, waiting for those, plus a DC adapter to run my laptop in the truck.

Then inspection....... That could be a whole seperate thread....


CHRIS
98 Amigo, 92 Pup

need a pickup 1st gen fuel level sender
Re: project "PUP" [Re: CPOM] #624574 10/05/06 05:09 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 279
FSJ1978 Offline
Mudrunner
Good luck with the inspection. I don't know about where you are, but the MegaSquirt wouldn't fly in the !@#% state of CA.
Is the MegaSquirt EGR compatable or will that throw the whole thing out of whack when the EGR comes in?

Looking good! I wish I had mine as far along as yours but I'm still sidetracked with Jeep and other projects, trying to make room to get the Amigo in the 'shop.'

Keep at it, you're getting close. You've got to be drooling about now, wanting it DONE so you can go play and see what it'll do.


Chris Enos (Chino, CA)

'91 Isuzu Amigo "Rover" (Camaro 3800 swap in progress / 2.25" exhaust)
....(SOA / Custom rear bumper / CB / HAM)
Re: project "PUP" [Re: FSJ1978] #624575 10/05/06 05:26 PM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,285
CPOM Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
No one to my knowledge has programmed a solenoid egr controller code or hardware for megasquirt yet. There are outputs you can use with a 12v solenoid and set up AND type fucntions like "if MAP >30 and less than 80, and tps is between a range then ground this output "X" for instance. Then you could use a solenoid. But this setup is so much simpler. What should happen ideally is that between say 20 and 60% throttle the egr should be open and it will displace some air in the cylinders. When I tune the engine on the road it is all based on o2 sensor feedback. Therefore egr should be transparent if set up right.

I did a lot of research comparing the 92 gm EGR and the Camaro obd2 EGR. The 3.1 engine controls EGR based on TPS and RPM. The Camaro uses TPS and MAF. So mine will be just TPS. Both these systems use coolant temp to turn them on, haven't put anything in to disable it before the engine warms up. If it becomes a problem I can add something like that later. Thanks do Dan houlton for advice on these mods he has done most of this on his 3800 and helped me out.


CHRIS
98 Amigo, 92 Pup

need a pickup 1st gen fuel level sender
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