My giant Furukawa battery broke a plate while off roading. I price checked an Optima at a few places and 4 Wheel had the lowest installed price. When the battery gave out, I was back in San Jose and going to work. I couldn't afford to get battery acid on my good clothes. I had the Furukawa jumped. The SLX would run but wouldn't restart. When I showed up at the 4 Wheel Parts store, they said there would be a big fee for installation. They have a minimum charge for any shop work and the shop is separate. I <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> [color:"red"] [/color] complained and the parts guy agreed to go out and install the battery so I could go to work. When I checked the job they had packed the battery hold down with cardboard to shore up the Optima! If I took that offroad it would have been a disaster.