Glad you quit jimbo, Iam no tree hugger myself an to each his own, but i have never seen the sport in it. I guess when you are trained to hunt down man, it will loose its appeal, because man deffinetly shoots back. I've never understood why a man would get out of the bed, a warm bed mind you, an by the way with a warm body laying next to you, an go climb a tree an wait on a deer to come by, Hell if i can hit them with my truck whats the challenge with a gun. I know theres going to be some big bad hunters out there going to give me there big manlly speech, save it as i mentioned above. you wont to prove you a hunter, get you a couple of high dollar paintball guns, take a group friends an find you a patch of woods, put about a mile between yourselves. an see what its like to be shot back at. I always see in the paper every year of the local 6,7,8,an 9 year old with there kill, come on how hard is it. you can take the kiddies along an bag one. An besides as jimbo stated i can step out on the porch an shoot one any time , i enjoy just setting there an watching one of the most beatifull creatures on earth, oh yea whats that verse about animals with a split hoof, must look the other way on that one.