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Re: Ham Radio [Re: Wayne] #667447 11/18/05 08:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 279
FSJ1978 Offline
Mudrunner
Now you see it...

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Now you don't...

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And the antenna is basically a mirror image of the stock one so it looks 'ballanced.' and hopefully inconspicuous...

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I didn't have the Kenwood TM-G707 powered up because the battery is as dead as the motor. I used a dremel to remove most of the plastic material on both sides of the pocket, and when I later removed the dash to replace the leaky heater core I added a small brace on each side to replace the material I had removed (that's what the machine screws are that you can see on the inside of the hole).
You can control all the functions you need from the keypad on the mic, so all you do is pop the pannel off and then put it back when you're done for the day, no reaching all the way to the base of the windshield to change channels or whatever else you need to do, other than squelch and volume which are easiest done from the head unit.


Chris Enos (Chino, CA)

'91 Isuzu Amigo "Rover" (Camaro 3800 swap in progress / 2.25" exhaust)
....(SOA / Custom rear bumper / CB / HAM)
Re: Ham Radio [Re: FSJ1978] #667448 11/18/05 08:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,652
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Wayne Offline
Roll Me Over
Holy crabcakes! That is the best installation I've ever seen. The dash isn't easy to get out; that was some work.

Mine is under the seat, where I tuck the mike when I'm done.

The head unit is velcroed with a top strip to stick under the speedo display by the wiper control. When I'm done I pull the head unit and put it in the lockbox, and tuck the cable up under the dash mat. On a longer (highway) drive, I'll set the head on the dash so I don't have to look down, but around down I just scroll through the same couple of memories and don't worry about it.


[color:"white"]? 04 Rodeo DI ?[/color] 75k mi, body damage on the 1st weekend I got it.
Re: Ham Radio [Re: Wayne] #667449 11/18/05 08:45 PM
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Posts: 279
FSJ1978 Offline
Mudrunner
I reach in with a dremel to make the necessary width for the display. Dash removal came a couple/few months later when the heater core went south, so while I had it out, I put the reinforcement brackets in. The dash wasn't exactly loose, just wasn't as strong at that mounting point as it was from the factory.

Thanks for the compliment, I've been wanting to show off that install ever since I did it, just didn't figure there would be much interrest so kept my enthusiasm to myself. hehe


Chris Enos (Chino, CA)

'91 Isuzu Amigo "Rover" (Camaro 3800 swap in progress / 2.25" exhaust)
....(SOA / Custom rear bumper / CB / HAM)
Re: Ham Radio [Re: FSJ1978] #667450 11/18/05 08:50 PM
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Posts: 4,868
Jim_Paget Offline
Roll Me Over
I edited the original subject to add "Ham Radio".


Jim Paget
88 YJ with a few changes

www.rrr4x4.com
Re: Ham Radio [Re: Jim_Paget] #667451 11/18/05 11:52 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 681
Troopersphere Offline
Rock Warrior
Thanks Jim for re-opening!

I mounted my old Icom 2 mtr rig in my Trooper by removing the inner glove box from the dash. Who needs the glove box anyway ? Anyone ever use it for gloves? Didn't think so. I put a couple cheap home depot hinges on the original door, and when I'm not using the radio, just close the door and it's outta sight. I did need an external speaker though, cuz I coulnd't hear that puny one on the radio. Antenna is mounted on the roof, next to where the dome light is on the inside, cable snaked down the pillar behind the pass door, under the rug, up to the radio.

Oh, if you are wondering where I keep my insurance papers now ? they are in the side pocket on the door... so if you steal the truck, now you know where everything is.

C/YA!
73 de Jeff
ham since '69, way back in the last century.


C/YA!
Jeff
'88 Trooper
2DR LWB 4ZE1 5SP
bone stock DD
Re: Ham Radio [Re: Jim_Paget] #667452 11/19/05 12:40 AM
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,652
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Wayne Offline
Roll Me Over
[color:"red"]Antenna Information -- including how to make CB antennas work better[/color]

I commented above on a Kenwod antenna that didn't work well. This next part applies to CB antennas as well: They're not all equal (and while size matters, so does how you use it). <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> Many antennas have the ability to be tuned by adjusting the length (or even just soldering on a lump of metal or wrap of wire).

Antenna primer: All antennas stink. It's tough to get a good match over more than 10% of their frequency band. So never expect greatness. That's why good antennas are either frequency specific, or have tuners that come with them so you can "on the fly" adjust them for a better match.

At work I have a network analyzer that I can use to inject RF power into an antenna, and measure how much power is reflected back (this tells me how good the match is).

Bigger return loss = better. If a device has 6 dB of return loss, the reflected energy back from that device (which goes back into your transmitter--not good!) is 6dB lower than the incoming energy. Remember that in decibels, 3db = 2x power (or 1/2 power, depending on the way you are measuring). So 6db lower means 1/2 * 1/2 = 25% power is reflected back.

Notice also that this is all exponential growth--A VSWR of 3 is 6x worse than a VSWR of 1.5.

VSWR = 1.0 --> Return Loss = infinity --> Reflected Power = 0%
VSWR = 1.01 --> Return Loss = 46. dB --> Reflected Power = 0.005%
VSWR = 1.5 --> Return Loss = 14. dB --> Reflected Power = 4%
VSWR = 2.0 --> Return Loss = 9.5 dB --> Reflected Power = 11%
VSWR = 3.0 --> Return Loss = 6.0 dB --> Reflected Power = 25% Ouch!
VSWR = 4.0 --> Return Loss = 4.4 dB --> Reflected Power = 36% Ouch!
VSWR = 6.0 --> Return Loss = 2.9 dB --> Reflected Power = 51% Super-Ouch! Over half the power you transmit out is reflected back.

* Note that the law of reciprocity applies--power coming into the antenna from other people's signal is likewise reflected away from entering the radio and allowing you to hear it.

I put my Kenwood HT antenna on our network analyzer--the Kenwood antenna is an 8 inch rubber antenna that came stock with the radio. The antenna has a VSWR/return loss that's all over the place as I wiggle it. That's bad--it should vary a little, but not much. Holding it steady, I read across the 420-450 MHz frequency band that the VSWR is 4 to 6. That is incredibly horrible for a fixed antenna.

I went with my better Comet antenna. (looks like this but with only 2 sections). It's a fixed metal antenna with the extra ability to pull it up (pulling a spring in the base) then fold it over for garages. Neat trick, but generally the more mechanical connections, the worse overall match you get as the RF bounces off each new joint/connection. But I like the foldover and got it.

It also has a little impedance matching trap at the bottom. This means even without the metal wire poking out, it's a reasonably good match (but it wouldn't transmit much farther than out of the room without the vertical wire).

When I hooked it up, the VSWR ran from 1.7 to 2.5 at the 140-148 MHz band, and 2.5 to 4 at the 420.0-450.0 MHz band. Not so good.

To fix this, I loosened the hex set screws and pulled it apart. Next, I cleaned it to insure good connections. Then I put it back together. Trial and error while hooked up to the analyzer told me the bottom half was the 440 MHz antenna, and the entire antenna was for the 144 MHz.

I put it back together and adjusted the bottom length to get a better match on 440 MHz (now it's around 2 to 3) and tightened it down. I then adjusted the top section to get a better match at 2 meters (1.5 to 2). I tightened it down, verified my 440 MHz again, and called it good.

When I tested it on my portable ham radio (look now I'm at work, the stock antenna could barely hear outside traffic, and could not transmit. The newly tuned (and much larger) antenna had full signal strength on transmit and receive.

So if you have a CB antenna (on your [color:"red"]Isuzu[/color]--nod to Jim)....ask someone to check and tune it with an SWR meter. Keep your connections clean, and your cables short. You will transmit farther and "hear" better, and even lengthen the life of your radio. If you have a loose or broken connection inside it, this will find it (replace antenna). If you have a crummy antenna, this will find it (replace antenna). If your match is off a little, tuning and adjusting can improve it.

If you want to understand reflected power (DON'T TRY THIS!), find someone with a ham radio in their Isuzu (not me), pull off the antenna (horrible match since there's nothing there), set it to 50 watts transmit (high power) and hit transmit. 50 watts leaves the radio, hits the end of the cable, and 100% of the power will reflect back into the radio and destroy it.

Re: Ham Radio -CQ CQ CQ DE KI6BLP [Re: vovkus] #667453 11/20/05 03:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 2,884
MichaelW Offline
Isuzu Moderator Emeritus
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I believe we have some Isuzu owners, who is in this hobby also. I just got my US HAM radio license (KI6BLP). Before it was Ukrainian, but long time ago. I don't have any equipment yet, and need to install something on Trooper. Any suggestions are welcome.
73's BLP, de KE7ENC.

I have a Icom 2720 in the little Red Amigo and I carry a T-90 HT to boot. I also have a 706MKII that will end up in the big Amigo. I think that it would be pretty cool to be working a CW QSO while playing on a rock pile.

I have a 756 ProIII for the base station and homebrew all my base antennas. My next project will be a 80 meter moxon rectangle.

I am using a Comet for the 2720 and it seems to do okay. For the DC to Daylight on the 706 I'll more than likely be using a screwdriver.

73's


Michael W
1 35 MPH tailgate, 1 10' Drop, 3 Layovers and 1 Standing on the tail too many. Too Far 6, Frame 0.

Ooops - sorry guys it's not a rental.
Re: Ham Radio -CQ CQ CQ DE KI6BLP [Re: MichaelW] #667454 11/20/05 04:00 PM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,016
strawmyers Offline
Isuzu Moderator
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73's BLP, de KE7ENC.



And purple monkey dishwasher to you as well <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Sean Strawmyer
Back and ready to rock...... crawl.

From Indiana or surrounding states and interested in wheelin'? Check out www.mwior.com

Re: Ham Radio -CQ CQ CQ DE KI6BLP [Re: strawmyers] #667455 11/21/05 06:14 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 496
V
vovkus Offline OP
Mudrunner
How to eliminate noise from engine?
CB radio received noise from engine, power seats, power mirrors.
I have filter installed, but it not help that much. The filter input connected directly to the battery. Groung connection is good too.
The stock radio work fine and I can not hear any noise.


2001 Trooper LS 3" lift,no more Rancho 9000RX,
no more 4L30E transmission,
ProComp 8" 130W driving lights,
Surco roof rack (modified),
110V power outlet, Viair 380C compressor,
CB/FRS/GPRS/HF/VHF/UHF Radio, 285/75/16 BFG AT/KO.
Re: Ham Radio -CQ CQ CQ DE KI6BLP [Re: vovkus] #667456 11/21/05 04:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 2,884
MichaelW Offline
Isuzu Moderator Emeritus
Figure out which frequency then add the proper chokes to the lines. Try a ground isolation unit.


Michael W
1 35 MPH tailgate, 1 10' Drop, 3 Layovers and 1 Standing on the tail too many. Too Far 6, Frame 0.

Ooops - sorry guys it's not a rental.
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