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I'm wondering how all of this would apply. If say you were doing a rebuild using a Toyota OEM short block. Not all of us know are friendly local machine shop techs that well. It would seem to me. That starting off with a known good short block. Would eliminate a lot of problems. I'm wondering if you could still make the same hp and torque. Using a OEM Toyota Short Block to start off with.

Dynamic, this all goes back to my own experience with being at the 'end of the road' (note my location). You've got to go and talk to the guys and ask them what they can do for you and print out threads like this. In then end, it helps them with their trade, if they're open to experimenting, esp if you want to push the performance envelope.

Some folks here have the money and the extra vehicle to afford them to do this; others have their one and only ride which depends on the reliability they can depend on.

This is IN ADDITION to your mechanic's ability or YOUR ability for all the periphial stuff that is tacked on..
Did you put in new gaskets?
Did you clean your EGR tubes and plate?
Do you have new/calibrated sensors?
Is your fuel pump new?
Are your injectors cleaned and rematched?

Your MACHINIST is not responsible for anything other than the head/block you gave them.
YOU and your mechanic are responsible for the condition of what gets bolted ON TO THEM, including performance or bling-bling stuff.

Get the big picture here. Not knocking on you, but the machinist can kick you back a good product; what you bolt to it afterward is on you. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Again, GO to the machine shop, tell them that you might be a customer, ASK if they have some time to lead you around the shop for a tour, ask them what they use (hot tank or bead blast, pressure checks, NDI), talk to the guys who might specialize in your engine, etc.

YOU are the consumer who is about to spend $2K on a long block rebuild. Getcher buns out there and talk to folks. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

My machinist knows I'm a Yotahead, and they get lots of 22Rxx's thru the shop. Get over being unacquainted, and TAKE THE TIME TO KNOW YOUR LOCAL MACHINIST.

My plugged nickels; DO IT!!

M.

So, basically for the same price as a V8 conversion, you can have half the HP and torque. Been that route before...thank god for advanced adaptors.

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>>>*That is a good article, Margi. A customer really should take the time to check out their machine shop, ask a few questions, get to know the people.

I would hazard a guess that 99& of all shops want their customer happy, average shops will have a quarter million bucks bolted to the floor and in cabinets, perhaps more.

Of course if you arrive and see a mountain of engine blocks and heads and the crew scurrying around looking somewhat in mayhem, sometimes it might be best to keep it short.

I have seen times when folks walk in with piles of questions and I might be looking at a 4:00 deadline with three hours of work to do in two.

This of course is when the phone will also ring and some nice person begins to explain about the good deal they got on the rusty blue 4 Runner that their wife doesn't know about...yet....

Still, a good relationship is the key, and trust matters. If you don't feel it, then there is usually another shop not far away.

I do know I have turned down work because the consumer seemed suspicious and untrusting, so the opposite is true...You should sticky your own post....*EB

If I may I would like to add something to this thread, from my experience with my 22re, I found that by simply advancing the stock cam 1 - 2 degrees I actually saw a better performance increase than from the DOA 270 cam I installed. which is just sitting on the bench in our garage. I wasted my money on that purchase <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />.


Chucky MoMo <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />