Thanks man you jus told me everything ELSE i needed to know, and your observation on our trucks making it through what some 4x4's cant is so true as i have witnessed with my taco against a 2005 ford f-150 4x4 grant it, it did have street tires but never the less my truck made it much farther but i think the key point of why is that the taco has a light footprint, at least thats what i was led to beleive....but anyways thanks again <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />