Well Jerry , I was lucky , I got the front pan down and the gasket is still ok <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> The rear pan has one bolt that is very hard to get off due to the location , you pretty much need the trany off and the mount off , unless there is a special tool.The only way I managed it was because the drive shafts and body weren't on , so I could sneak an arm around the top of the tranny to help out with both hands.It should be fun putting it back on once I get to that.I painted the pans while I had them off , they are almost done.I figure this way they are nice and clean , and should be easy to tell where , if any leaks come from under there.