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Re: d35 vs d44
#699111
03/05/06 02:53 AM
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Ok I have read alot of the forums and I am new to this, but was wondering... I have a 99 TJ with 6" superlift,& 35x12.50x15 BFG MT's. It has the stock 4 cyl in it with a K&N air system and a performance chip in it.. I am thinking bout swaping axles because yall have scared ***** out of me saying the 35 is going to break. From what I hav read I am thinking of going high pinion 30 from an xj on front and a dana 44 on the rear with 4.56 gears...is this the right way to go? I do not have a ton of money to spend so please advise.....
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Re: d35 vs d44
[Re: BigJim]
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03/05/06 04:12 AM
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Good memory there Jimbo.......Taking your Geritol regular, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
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Re: d35 vs d44
[Re: Tikitgvr]
#699113
03/05/06 05:25 AM
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Ya, I'd at least swap in the dana 44 rear. The 30 front HP model will get you some driveshaft angle decrease along with a bit stronger gear setup. But for 35's you will be pushing the limit of the 30. Might wanna consider 44's front and rear.
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Re: d35 vs d44
#699114
03/05/06 06:59 AM
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Ya, I'd at least swap in the dana 44 rear. The 30 front HP model will get you some driveshaft angle decrease along with a bit stronger gear setup. But for 35's you will be pushing the limit of the 30. Might imo, 35s are at the limit, not pushing it.
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Re: d35 vs d44
[Re: Dan-H]
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03/05/06 12:19 PM
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You can get 30 spline shafts for a D30, you can get 35 spline shafts for a d44, yet, if you drive with little or no finesse, sidestep the clutch, try and do burn outs, walk a tire high in the air then have it come down while at WOT, get completely bound up and get it hopping...none of the chrome moly shafts CTM joints and cryo treated parts will save you from breaking "something" in the drivetrain.
The worst thing is build in a "fuse". Not only do they not "pop" when you might "want" them to, but they will when you "don't". Build it all reasonably strong and be aware that 5 ton Rockwells can't save you from stupidity.
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Re: d35 vs d44
[Re: superdawg]
#699116
03/08/06 07:59 PM
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ok I have found many d44's but they are friggin expensive....so with that in mind...going to look at the ford 8.8 or 9......but need advice on what year....remember I have a 99 TJ...also any other recomendations for the front besides the d44?
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Re: d35 vs d44
[Re: Tikitgvr]
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03/08/06 09:48 PM
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I guess you are not out today hiding behind a hiway sign.. Look for an exploder with rear disks. The gear ratio on fords is written on the drivers door post.. If you look really hard you can find 4:11's and somewhere there are 4:56's they tell me. The door code has been posted here many times... Something like this: Ford Ranger Rear Axles
Most Rangers are equipped with the Ford 7.5-inch rear axle with several exceptions:
1) 1986-up "Incomplete vehicles" also known as "Chassis Cabs" were frequently equipped with 8.8" 28-spline axles, the '86-88 examples are distinctive as they are the only 8.8" Ranger rears that have no provisions for a RABS sensor.
2) 1990 & up 4.0-liter Rangers. These are ALWAYS equipped with the 8.8-inch 28-spline rear axle.
3) 1998-up 4x4 supercab Rangers regardless of powerplant are frequently equipped with 8.8" axles
4) FX4 Rangers 99-current come equipped with an 8.8 rear and 31-spline axles with either 4.10 or 4.56 axle ratios. Swapping in an 8.8-inch 28-spline Ranger axle for the original 7.5-inch axle provides (according to Ford) a 35% increase in strength. But this strength increase refers to the greater strength of the gears and carrier bearings (Pinion bearings, axle bearings and axle shafts are exactly the same) there is NO increase in weight capacity If you are looking for greater strength for loads created by severe offroad driving or towing you'll want to go to the next step, the Explorer axle. The rear axles on all Ford Explorers are also 8.8's, however there are some differences... The 8.8-inch Explorer axle use 31-spline axle shaft. Increasing from a 28-spline to a 31-spline axle allegedly increases strength of the axle shaft by 34%, however I'll go by the capacity ratings of the axle assemblies provided by the manufacturer. Ford Rates the Ranger axle at 2750lbs and the Explorer axle at 3200lbs this is a 16% increase in strength, which admittedly may be as conservative as the estimate of axle strength. The Important thing about the Explorer axle assembly vis-a-vie it's strength is not the axles that are larger at the splines but that these axles are larger in diameter at the outer bearing journal AND the larger diameter bearings used. What axle do you have now?
You can identify which axle you have by the tag attached to the inspection cover. Some feel better having disc brakes (I'll discuss this elsewhere:) and if you want discs then look for a Explorer '95-01, as these are the ones with the disks brakes. '91-94 axle assemblies are just as strong, but have 10" drums (Which are more easily connected to your existing hydraulic lines and Parking brake cables)
7.5-inch Rear Specifications 7.5-Inch Ring Gear 1.626" Pinion Stem 8.8-inch Rear Specifications 8.8-Inch Ring Gear 1.626" Pinion Stem
Swapping a Ranger 7.5-inch to a Ranger 8.8-inch is a direct replacement. Swapping in a stronger 8.8-inch from an Explorer requires mounting the spring perches from under to over the axle. This should be done by a reputable welder. The '95 & newer Explorer 8.8-inch axles have disk brakes. The master cylinders in the Rangers are not calibrated for rear disk brakes. When converting to rear disks you should replace your master cylinder with one from a rear disk brake Explorer.
C-Clips:
The 7.5-inch and 8.8-inch axles retain the axles using C-Clips. A broken C-Clip axle will slide out of the axle tube. C-Clip eliminators are available which hold the axle in the axle tube.
Ford Part# M-4220-A
Jegs Part# 873-A1092
Axle Girdle:
Serious Off-Roaders should consider installing an Axle Girdle. They Replace the existing inspection cover and provide support to the differential bearing caps. They also increase the fluid capacity.
Ford Part# M-4033-G (8.8-inch)
Ford Part# M-4033-J (7.5-inch)
Jegs Part# 6-9-101-8.8 (8.8-inch)
Ranger Axle Codes:
Rear axle codes can be found on the Safety Standard Certification label attached to the left drivers side door lock post. The code appears as a number or letter/number combination in the 'Axle' column of the label. The axle can also be identified by the tag on the axle differential cover bolt. See the diagram above to learn how to read the tag.
Axle Codes Axle codes for Ranger, Bronco2, Explorer and Aerostar (included because 4.10 gears and limited slips are more common than you'd expect) Aerostar Code Description Capacity Ratio 22 open 7.5" 2950 4.10 23 open 7.5" 2950 3.45 24 open 7.5" 2950 3.73 25 open 8.8" 2950 3.27 29 open 8.8" 2950 3.55 B2 L/S 7.5" 2950 4.10 B4 L/S 7.5" 2950 3.73 B5 L/S 8.8" 2950 3.55 B9 L/S 8.8" 2950 3.55
(Note: Aerostars with axle codes starting with "1" are Spicer/Dana 30 axles with Aluminum housings) Bronco II Code Description Capacity Ratio 42 open 7.5" 2640 3.45 44 open 7.5" 2640 3.73 47 open 7.5" 2640 4.10 D2 L/S 7.5" 2640 3.45 D4 L/S 7.5" 2640 3.73 D7 L/S 7.5" 2640 4.10
Ranger Code Description Capacity Ratio 72 open 6-7/8" 2200 3.08 74 open 6-7/8" 2200 3.45 82 open 7.5" 2750 3.08 84 open 7.5" 2750 3.45 86 open 7.5" 2750 3.73 87 open 7.5" 2750 4.10 91 open 8.8" 2750 3.27 92 open 8.8" 2750 3.08 95 open 8.8" 2750 3.55 96 open 8.8" 2750 3.73 97 open 8.8" 2750 4.10 98 open 8.8" 2750 4.56 F4 L/S 7.5" 2750 3.45 F6 L/S 7.5" 2750 3.73 F7 L/S 7.5" 2750 4.10 R5 L/S 8.8" 2750 3.55 R6 L/S 8.8" 2750 3.73 R7 L/S 8.8" 2750 4.10 R8 L/S 8.8" 2750 4.56
(Note 4.56 geared axles '99-up are 31-spline)
Explorer Code Description Capacity Ratio 41 Open 8.8" 3200 3.27 43 Open 8.8" 3200 3.08 44 Open 8.8" 3200 3.73 45 Open 8.8" 3200 3.55 D1 L/S 8.8" 3200 3.27 D2 L/S 8.8" 3200 4.10 D4 L/S 8.8" 3200 3.73 D5 L/S 8.8" 3200 3.73
L - Limited Slip Differential C - Conventional Differential Code Ratio 85 3.55C 89 (1992-1998) 4.10C 89 (1999-2001) 4.56C F5 3.55L K6 4.10L Big Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />
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Re: d35 vs d44
[Re: BigJim]
#699118
03/09/06 01:21 AM
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Friggin BigJim ia walking wealth of knowledge on fords I would say.. Ok Im swaping out the 35c from my 99 TJ and was going to do D44...but they are expensive so I was going to go with a ford 8.8 if its not to damn difficult....so If I understood you right....Exploders have the stronger 8.8 due to the diameter of the axle outer and the more splines....Ok ty and I will check on these to see the cost
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Re: d35 vs d44
[Re: Tikitgvr]
#699119
03/10/06 03:20 AM
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Dang jimbo, you bored....... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />
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