right on guys, thanks! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> i'll probably just keep it wrapped in canvas from now on and add a can of wd to the always stocked lithium grease. i would just lean the thing up if it werent attached so well and had an extra arm to hold onto it. and if i keep the top of the jack attached to the tree it'll fall in the same spot every time. shoulda had the camera. it was burried good! left the dragged axle print with pumkin groove across the mud. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" /> and btw...i thought my solenoid might just burn up. twas alot like work!