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Re: The long block is in...question [Re: Winston] #708800 03/22/06 09:37 PM
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Mitsubishi Patented the balance shaft idea. Now that the patent has expired, others are using balance shafts. GM Ecotec engine is one example. I would not take it out.


I dont know about that. Balance shafts have been around for a long time. My 94 4.3 has one.

I know of alot of older German motors that have them.


87 Raider 4D56td v5MT1
31's..Basically Stock
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: LandRaider] #708801 03/22/06 09:53 PM
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The silent shaft 2.6 Mits motor was introduced in the 70's.

Porsche licensed the technology from Mitsubishi. One of the Mitsubishi features included locating the shafts at differant heights to not only cancle out the second order vibration from the differances in piston acceleration of TDC VS BDC but it also it helps to reduce vibration from the power pulse.

Kevin


87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: Kevin C] #708802 03/22/06 10:33 PM
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And canceling a second order vibration took some serious math!


98 Montero with cold weather package
96 Toyota Land Cruiser, fully locked Mall Machine :-)
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: Kevin C] #708803 03/22/06 11:59 PM
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Do any of you get a vibration in your rear view mirror at highway speeds where it the images go in a little circle?


Ya know, I REALLY miss that.. it was a feeling of tin-can power as I went through first and second <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I seriously loved the way that felt. It really wasn't that bad though, little vibration in the mirror, and just more feeling out of the stickshift and body.

I DID however have brand new motor mounts so that may have helped. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Brendan.


1999 Mitsu Montero - Crappy Weather
1992 Isuzu Pickup - Zombie Apocalypse
2008 Saturn Sky Redline - Nice Weather
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: 87Montero] #708804 03/23/06 03:25 AM
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As I've posted before, I will never again build a 2.6 without the balance shafts. I got real tired of welding up the p/s pump bracket. I also took out the a/c compressor bracket in about 5 pieces (the pot metal one - the cast iron ones seem fine), and I fractured two a/t cooler lines right at the block brackets. My mirror does the big buzz at cruise, too. I figure there's more the vibration is cracking, too, but I just haven't found it yet. Did I mention that the a/t to t-case adapter broke, too....

The 2.6 with shafts is as smooth as a v6, almost as smooth as an I6, except down real low in rpms where the power pulses are enough farther apart to notice.

Note the short chain driving the oil pump. I like to oval out the more middlish bolt hole in the short chain guide so you can adjust the chain clearance a tad. I think the spec is .5 - 1mm between guide and chain, all the slack gathered at the guide.


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Re: The long block is in...question [Re: n2dp] #708805 03/23/06 06:08 AM
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While cleaning the timing chain cover I found that it has some damage. It looks like someone has ground off the end of one of the water pump bolt holes and there are cracks all over the thing. Is this normal or am I now looking for another cover?

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1988 Raider, 2.6L (Weber carb, PaceSetter header, Centerforce D/F clutch, 5-Speed M/T, 33X12.50 Pro Comp M/T, 15X8 US Wheel 97 Series)
3" Body Lift
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: n2dp] #708806 03/23/06 06:27 AM
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The cracks are marks from the steel mold the part was made in. The mold had some heat cracks in it. Its normal and wont hurt anything.

The wear marks are from the timing chain being loose. As long as it did not break through to water your fine. If its just a bit of the bolt showing its unlikely to leak.

Make sure your new motor has a rubber washer behing the tensioner for the timing chain.

Kevin


87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: n2dp] #708807 03/26/06 06:07 AM
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<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />My long block did not have any studs on the intake side. The guy at the parts house sold me some cartburetor studs, but they really don't seem to hold in the head. What is a good solution for studding this side of the head? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


1988 Raider, 2.6L (Weber carb, PaceSetter header, Centerforce D/F clutch, 5-Speed M/T, 33X12.50 Pro Comp M/T, 15X8 US Wheel 97 Series)
3" Body Lift
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: n2dp] #708808 03/26/06 09:46 AM
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Heli-coil, just pick which size you want to use.


87 Monty SWB 208k currently immobile: SOME RUST
89 Quest 61k slightly original
DD---> Integra Rust bucket (gone but not forgotten)
02 BMW M5
Re: The long block is in...question [Re: n2dp] #708809 03/26/06 05:39 PM
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Are the threads in the head ok or is it that the studs are a the wrong size?

I just double nut the studs and screw them in till they bottom out on the shank.

Can you get your old studs out by double nutting them?

Kevin


87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
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