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Re: MOAB ZU ZOO GUYS!!! [Re: MichaelW] #724057 05/27/06 03:40 PM
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pplotz Offline
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It was nice getting a post-event, ultra-mini Moab visitation...


It would have been nice to have more time... Although; I did leave myself in a good spot <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> and I am looking forward to coming to visit again <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

P.S. Don't forget all the beer I left in the back...

Re: MOAB ZU ZOO GUYS!!! [Re: Wayne] #724058 05/27/06 04:09 PM
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Tracks, not waypoints. (Although start, stop, and any important mid-course waypoints would be interesting information of someone wanted to include them). Shouldn't be too bad. Most default recording styles for GPS's are by distance traveled, so time sitting still doesn't turn into a growing file size.

People are posting huge videos. A track text file or GPX (takes up more room) file is small compared to those.

Having a track on the GPS is just a neat option, if it's available. And it's forum generated, saving everyone who wants it but doesn't want to buy the whole book just to see where you guys went doesn't have $25.....and that's still just a list of trails, not the tracks you traveled including some people who took interesting side trips and said, "Hey, I bet other people would find this intersting."

So again, if anyone has any GPS trails they'd like to share in addition to photos and movies, I am interested.

Thanks, Wayne


OK, I've been using GPS light years before it was available to the general public and I don't know what you are talking about "tracks"? It must be one of thos civilian terms. I'm just trying to help there bud, besides the "$25.00" for the book is a steal if you ask me and a must if you ever visit Moab. To give you an example a trail like fins in things has 24 waypoints. Hell's Revenge has 29.


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Re: MOAB ZU ZOO GUYS!!! [Re: Paddler] #724059 05/27/06 05:13 PM
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I know what Wayne means by "track". The Garmins and I suspect others, does keep a trace of the actual path traveled over the ground. Unless you specifically save the "track", it is transient - it goes away each time you reset.

Unless you have been on the ground in Moab, it may be hard to imagine that the waypoints are more than adequate for navigation on the trails. They don't make as pretty a line on a map, but trust us, they work.

I would like to reiterate my point above. The access in the Moab area is under such constant attack that we cannot afford to leave the published trails. You risk arrest and certainly you will not be allowed to go with the Zu crowd.


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Re: MOAB ZU ZOO GUYS!!! [Re: Jim_Paget] #724060 05/27/06 06:22 PM
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Wayne Offline
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There are many names they go by, usually tracks or breadcrumb trails. It's the trail that is formed on the GPS map as you walk or drive that shows where you've been. The software that comes with your GPS can extract it and place it on a map; so can free programs like EasyGPS.

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Wayne: not the tracks you traveled including some people who took interesting side trips.

One of the things that we are very careful to do is to stay on the published trails.


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I would like to reiterate my point above. The access in the Moab area is under such constant attack that we cannot afford to leave the published trails. You risk arrest and certainly you will not be allowed to go with the Zu crowd.


Holy cow has this gone way off track and made some horrible assumptions.

1. There are other legal roads and trails in the area (usually identified by signs and highway markers, or being listed in the above mentioned book) that other ZuZoo members reported going to in the past, complete with pictures and reports. They are completely legal, but were not part of the official ZuZoo trip. More on sidetrips in (3)

2. I thought it would be nice to build a GPX database of the trails, local features (good restaurants, good picture points, tricky trail points) and make it available to all ZuZoo members, without charge (Note: I also maintain the Texas Zu and Arizona Zu list, just because I'm that kind of guy). Perhaps I am niave and too assuming, but as I asked members on the ZuZoo trip, it implied legal trails.

3. Sidetrips part two: I'd catalog other "things you can do while at ZuZoo" points. One member also reported rock climbing in the local area. If he thought it was a good area for climbing, it would be nice for other Isuzu climbers to know where he was. If someone goes rafting and enjoyed it, a waypoint to the rafting company would be included. These are other events that draw us together, or provide less interested spouses/kids with other things to do while we wheel and make them more likely to make this the family vacation next year.

4. We're all not experts and repeat attendees. For those who haven't been there before, you would even have a waypoint showing you the exact location of the campground. Handy, especially for night arrivals.

5. With a breadcrumb/track, there are programs that can grab the time and date stamp on photos, compare them to the time/date on the track, and show you on a map where the picture was taken. (This assumes the GPS track and the picture were taken at the same time--you can't use last years track with this years pictures.)

6. This is not new. I had been asking for/working on this for the last couple of years, including asking in this year's countdown post and this post where I posted what I had.

I didn't mean this to be a thread hijack, just a simple request to help the ZuZoo/Isuzu community. Without anger or distress or pointed fingers, the opinion seems to be it's not on-topic, not recommended, bordering on illegal and with the threat of expulsion to have any map besides a purchased paper one. I request no more discussion in this thread--please PM me. (or use my webpage to get my e-mail)

All others who have ZuZoo information they would like to share with the Isuzu community, please PM/contact me with the track/breadcrumb/waypoint file. Garmin format, text format, or GPX format are all fine. Similar to the above post, I will post them on my personal website again next year, providing complete separation for the Wire.


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Re: MOAB ZU ZOO GUYS!!! [Re: Wayne] #724061 05/31/06 05:02 AM
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There are many names they go by, usually tracks or breadcrumb trails. It's the trail that is formed on the GPS map as you walk or drive that shows where you've been.

Some people even call them trails of mouse terds. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> Yes, they can be very valuable, especially when the Chuck Wells waypoints are 10 years old, which is before selective availability was turned off, so the accuracy on some waypoints in the 1st edition book is fairly poor. It's not uncommon to see good signal strength to multiple satellites, have an estimated proximity error of <15 feet, but be at least a few hundred feet from Chuck's waypoints at junctions.


Jeff
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Re: MOAB ZU ZOO GUYS!!! [Re: Jeff the marmot] #724062 06/02/06 04:06 PM
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Todd Adams Offline
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Here is a video clip I took on Pritchett. I know it is not an Isuzu but does show off Corbin's spotting skills.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5663999377619948710

Re: MOAB ZU ZOO GUYS!!! [Re: Todd Adams] #724063 06/02/06 04:43 PM
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pplotz Offline
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It's amazing what a couple hundred pounds will do for ya... now if there was only a way to move it around in the vehicle when you needed it <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Great video (very commited camera man <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />)! and as far as I'm concerned, that's an honorary isuzu <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Re: Here you go... you asked for it! [Re: dvtrooper] #724064 06/02/06 09:01 PM
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CanÆt get enough of the photos and video! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


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Note to Smiley i have been wanting to go a Zu Zuu run for a least 5years and last year for my 25th wedding anniversary my wife asked what i wanted i said i want to do is go to moab for Zu Zoo IX so we planned and saved all year and on our trip home all we could do is talk about next year, so do what ever it takes and get to moab you won't be disappointed so hope to see you there next year.

Thanks for the encouragement!

But there is honestly nowhere to cut back on the household budget to do any actual saving...

A more likely scenario would be for me to stop posting so darned much on the forums - get off my duff - and work a whole lot harder to finish that novel of mine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


But mark my words:
One way or another, sooner or later, you WILL be seeing me in Moab!



Although I think Doug (Bansil) & Joe Darlington will probably laugh louder than anyone else, since they were the ones that rescued my junk the day that I ærecalibratedÆ my Seat-o-the-Pants Meter, after almost flopping it on the Welder trail in Callalanteeà Based on which, I can only guess what they might think *my* reaction to LionÆs Back might be <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Last edited by mlclark; 06/02/06 10:43 PM.

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Re: Here you go... you asked for it! [Re: Smiley] #724065 06/03/06 12:12 AM
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Pretty hard to flop on Lions Back, unless you get off the established line...in which case you will experience a very long and extended "flop"...and herein lies the <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Here you go... you asked for it! *DELETED* [Re: BigSwede] #724066 06/03/06 02:09 AM
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